Top 30 Wrestlers of All Time

Top 30 Wrestlers of All Time

Written by Zeromage 41 Comments
Last Updated:: January 16, 2010

Who are the greatest wrestlers of all time in WWF history? A just as important question is why does Old-Wizard even care? What, has Old-Wizard become Old-Wrestler now? Our love for Retro extends past video games, it even extends to wrestling! In this list, we will place who we think are the top 10 wrestlers of all time. This isn’t just some arbitrary list. This is a list created with passion for the pseudo-sport of professional staged-wrestling. We spent the past weeks getting ripped watching old Royal Rumbles and Summer Slams arguing who was more perfect, Mr. Perfect himself, or the Undertaker? We compared stats as if the stats actually meant something; like how long a Royal Rumble participant lasted, and how many times The Intercontinental Belt was won by a certain wrestler. Finally we came down to a list that was partially based on stats and partially based on fame. Here then is Old-Wrestler’s (sorry, I meant Old-Wizard’s) top 30 wrestlers of all time.

30. Razor Ramon

The Machismo made an impact on the WWF bigger than just being a representative of the Hispanic culture. He had one of the greatest finishing moves of all time in the razors edge. He was the perfect heel for the WWF coming down to the ring with an arrogance only matched by Mr. Perfect and flicking his toothpick at opponents and ringside viewers alike. Not only did he have a strong finishing move and confidence before a fight, he had endurance to last through long matches that showed him to be one of the more underrated pure wrestlers in the faux-wrestling business. He tagged with Diesel and fought on his own. In both modes, he was a spectacle.

29. Ravishing Rick Rude

Ravishing Rick Rude was an arrogant master of wrestling who showed off his muscles to lady Elizabeth more than wrestling in a match. His tights were absurd. They were plastered shots of himself with massive lips insinuating a kiss towards all the women he thought were into him. I guess the mustache was still in style back then. Rick Rude was at the negative end of his battles mostly because he played heel to all the protagonist main carders in the WWF whether it be The Macho Man or Jake the Snake Roberts. Regardless, he had some good wrestling moves. He was quick and agile and could do some nasty moves from the top rope. He was a conspicuous figure and would be recognized by any fan of early wrestling.

28. Tito Santana

ARIBA! Tito Santana was actually one of the best pure wrestlers of all time. He was quick, actually executed real wrestling moves (not just dropped on people from turnbuckles) and roamed the ring before a match like someone who was in the real wrestling format before coming to the McMahon dynasty. Tito Santana was a high flying Mexican who always had the crowd begging for more. It’s unfortunate that his status didn’t fly higher though. He never had a shot at the main carder slot. He was deserving of it though. He has just as much skill and intestinal fortitude as Bret Hart for example but never had the chance to show it off. Watch one of his matches though and you’ll wish there was a ring you could fly into from the ropes with.

27. Sid Justice

Sid Justice was a physical phenomena being a pain in the ass to Hogan in his later career in the WWF. If it wasn’t for Sid, Hogan would have won Royal Rumble 1992 instead of flair, but Sid let Hogan know that “there are no friends in the rumble”! Sid Justice went on to dominate opponents much the same way The Undertaker did. Jobbers would get one blow in on him and mid-carders were beaten in less than 5 minutes. He was a true powerhouse and was setup for domination which he accomplished for a period in-between Wrestlemania 7 and 8. His lack of longevity as a force is what he keeps him at the lower end of this list. Still, his impact in the WWF was mythological.

26. Diesel

Diesel was a train. His finest from was in the WWF where he casually dominated wrestlers of much smaller stature. He was big and strong, not fat like Tugboat. He also showed a sizable amount of mettle too enduring long matches and kicking out of finishing moves. He was a force to be reckoned with in his time in the WWF. The tag team of him and Razor Ramon would prove to be volatile. You had the dirty play of Razor and the pure power of Diesel. Diesel was a great wrestler on his own and in a tag team. Everyone remembers the ease in which he entered the ring without having to go under the ropes because of his height. Embodying much of the physical attributes of The Undertaker, he just didn’t have the star power of the later. Regardless, he will always will be remembered for what he was. A virulent wrestler with an inordinate amount of endurance.

25. The Model Rick Martel

The Model Rick Martel was very much in a Ravishing Rick Rude type of wrestler. More interested in showing off himself to lady’s than actually wrestling, but like Rude, don’t discount his wrestling ability, especially on the Royal Rumbles he participated in. He has some of the best times out of any wrestler in Royal Rumble history. He was a true survivor. Martel was most known for temporarily blinding one of Jake the Snakes eyes by blowing perfume into it. They would have some intense matches that carried over to sub-plot fights in the Royal Rumble; the kind where one of the wrestlers would rush down to the ring looking for the wrestler he wanted to beat up at the cost of losing the rumble. Martel was a dirty wrestler with a dirty mind. You always needed these types of fighters to get the degenerates pumped as the person they wanted to be beaten on.

24. Superfly Jimmy Snuka

Superfly Jimmy Snuka fought for a long time; al the way from Captain Lou Albano to The Undertaker in Wrestlemania 7. From the Fiji Islands came Jimmy Snuka who represented for the first time in the WWF a figure who came from a diverse territory. If with Snuka that wrestlers like Kamala, Papa Shango and other subaltern wrestlers would have their chance at WWF fame. Snuka could also wrestle in case anyone forgot. This guy was pure speed. He had one of the greatest finishing moves of all time which was a massive head butt off the time ropes. Wrestlers would lay unconscious after this. The idea behind the move was that Snuka was from the jungle where he used his head to break open coconuts. Snuka started a diverse trend for the WWF that would eventually put the WWF on the path to worldwide glory.

23. Big Boss Man

The WWF needed someone to lay down the law. This man was The Big Boss Man. The Boss man really had no muscle to lay down the law but he had his club that he would smash people in the stomach with (or phantom smashes usually 1 foot away from the body). Big Boss Man was most explosive on teams with Hulk Hogan and Jim Duggan. He provided that binary protagonist quality that tipped the protagonist club overboard into fan idolization. Unfortunately, his showing at Royal Rumble 1992 put him below in this list. Forcing himself over the ropes was certainly an embarrassing moment in Royal Rumble lore. Still, when he came down to the ring in his uniform facing a jobber, you knew the jobber was going to have the law laid down on him.

22. The Texas Tornado

The Texas Tornado was an explosion every time he was in the ring. He was almost as explosive as the Ultimate Warrior, certainly not as solipsistic or egotistic, but still with a load of confidence upon entering the ring. Who could forget Royal Rumble 92’ when he came in the ring and tornado punched Ric Flair who marched to the center of the ring and dropped flat down on the ring. Texas Tornado’s tornado punch was one of the more devastating moves of all time. He mysteriously never got mid-carder status considering the fact that he could raise a crowd to their feet just by walking to the ring. He was ripped which was probably because of the use of steroids. He was a loose cannon regardless who enjoyed the open road, probably a little too much though as his motorcycle crash left him without his right foot which probably led to his 44 caliber suicide. He lived fast and expected nothing less than an explosive existence. Better to burn out than fade away, this was The Texas Tornado epitomized.

21. Earthquake

Fat Ass Earthquake is sort of irritating to watch because he’s such a loaf. He is incredibly slow and runs out of breath immediately after stomping in the ring for a few seconds. It’s strange that he was actually an amateur sumo-wrestler. He must have been beat a lot, which is probably why he entered into the WWF. Regardless of his exaggerated vice of sloth, he could command an audience into reprisal. He gave Hogan some difficult fights and was a constant thorn in Hacksaw Jim Duggan’s side. Earthquake was a beast. The kind of beast you’re scared of until you see how slow he is (like a 500 pound lineman in high school football). For his “bigman” status though, he is remembered as one of the great figures in WWF history.

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41 Comments

#1 Nate says:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

No Stone Cold or Rock?

#2 Jesse says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

My god….Zues is on the list and The Rock, Stone Cold, and HHH are missing?

Zues…

Over the Rock?!?

Zues…

Over Stone Cold Steve Austin?!?

Zues…

Over HHH or Kurt Angle?!?

This list looks like it was made using a Fleer 1989 WWF Card Collection.

Zues?

#3 BERSERKR says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

The Undertaker has been and always will be my favorite wrestler of all time, well not always has been, there were a few early years of my life where he wasnt the Undertaker yet

Lets not forget where Zeus got his start! in the 1989 Hulk Hogan CLASSIC No Holds Barred loved that movie when i was a kid

But i agree The Rock, Stone Cold and HHH should definitely be on this list.

#4 otto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

coco beware?

#5 Jesse says:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:21 am

Zues?!?!?

#6 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:29 am

Undertaker is easily my favorite all time wrestler, I have loved him ever since his debut back in 1990.

The thing is, I don’t think Andre The giant should be number one I understand he was “Hulk Hogan before there was a Hulk Hogan”, but Hogan should be number 1.

Hogan is responsible for WWE becoming the greatest professional wrestling organization in the world, he was on top during 2 wrestling booms, he sold out stadiums world wide, 93,000 people filled the silver dome with thousands more watching outside on big screens just to see if he could finally beat Andre. Hogan was responsible for the highest ratings in Wrestling history during the 80s. And when everyone thought Hogan was too old and stale when he joined WCW he did it again in being revealed as “the third man” and not old having the greatest heel turn in history, but creating arguably(Ill put them over the Horsemen)the greatest faction in wrestling history. Hogan made WCW huge and almost defeated the company he had done the same for a decade earlier.

Hogan also has more name recognition world wide than Andre, sure Andre was huge in Japan and europe, but I dare you to go to one place in this world and say his name without people automatically saying “Yea I know Hulk Hogan”

Hogan is the greatest performer in the history of the business, and should be number 1 on this list.

#7 Alexx says:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

worst list of all time. seriously

#8 David Macphail says:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

Shawn Michaels should be #1 and Ricky Steamboat should have at least made the top 10. Also, The Rock, Steve Austin and HHH should be on this list.

To whoever said Hogan should be #1 – Hogan is one of the all – time greats in the business but he is FAR from being one of the best performers. Hulk Hogans typical ring performance includes being able to take 3 of his opponents finishers and not even ACT like it hurt him, HBK is the greatest performer the business has ever seen.

#9 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

David Macphail: Hbk is EASILY NOT the best performer the business has ever seen, you dont seem to understand what it means to truly be a professional wrestler.

A wrestler is an entertainer, their talent lies in being able to entertain the crowd, tell a compelling story in the ring, draw crowds(ratings, live events, etc), and their marketability. At this Hogan was the greatest.

Hogan drew the highest ratings fro wrestling ever and was the biggest mainstream success the business had ever seen. He held WWE on his back for years with each year making more money than the last.

Lets look at HBK’s time on top, HBK was a bomb of a champion, ratings took an all time low during his run and the WWE almost went under because of how pathetic his drawing ability was.

#10 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

David Macphail: Hbk is EASILY NOT the best performer the business has ever seen, you dont seem to understand what it means to truly be a professional wrestler.

A wrestler is an entertainer, their talent lies in being able to entertain the crowd, tell a compelling story in the ring, draw crowds(ratings, live events, etc), and their marketability. At this Hogan was the greatest.

Hogan drew the highest ratings fro wrestling ever and was the biggest mainstream success the business had ever seen. He held WWE on his back for years with each year making more money than the last.

Lets look at HBK’s time on top, HBK was a bomb of a champion, ratings took an all time low during his run and the WWE almost went under because of how pathetic his drawing ability was.

Being a great wrestler isn’t about doing a bunch of flips, or knowing 89 different kinds of arm drags, its about entertaining the crowd, drawing crowds, and the number one bottom line, making your company lots of money, NO ONE, did this better than Hulk Hogan.

Wrestlemania was centered around him, and the one time they chose to have him face Sid, the ratings suffered significantly. He was so good he came in and Vince gave him the belt and let him run with it for years. Hogan was on top during TWO wrestling booms, HBK hasn’t been on top during anything more than a major slump.

Hogan revolutionized the sport on multiple occasions, he created the greatest most high profile faction in history the NWO and executed the greatest heel turn in history. Michaels is barely a blip on Hogans radar.

WWE tries to shove this revisionist history down everyones throat, saying “HBK is the greatest in history” or “Austin is the greatest in history” but the truth is neither is in Hogans league. And besides there has been a wrestler who has been around about the same time as Michaels, and that is Undertaker, a man who has been more over, who has been able to adapt more, and will probably have the greater legacy, Taker is superior to HBK, and Hogan is superior to them both.

#11 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

(Sorry for the semi double post accidentally clicked it and thought I stopped it in time)

#12 David Macphail says:
March 18th, 2010 at 2:36 am

Obviously you don’t follow Wrestling at all, Hogan was entertaining for his time, just like Santino Marella would have been entertaining during that time. No – selling all your opponents moves is not a way to perform in the ring, Hogan made Wrestlemania, yes, however he didn’t make Wrestlemania what it is today.

Claiming ratings fell during HBK’s time as champion proves you don’t even have ANY knowledge of Wrestling past 2002. HBK was the man who carried the entire “Attitude Era”, heck, he INVENTED the Attitude Era, it was HBK who took the business mainstream and it was during DX’s run that WWE (Or WWF as it was known) ratings were at an all – time high. If it wasn’t for DX, WWE would have gone under, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

If you enjoy the performances of Hogan or Taker then you must also think John Cena is the best thing to happen to WWE, your knowledge of Wrestling is beyond that of a begginer – go look up the Attitude Era and tell me who was on top during the most crucial time in WWE history, noob.

Oh and P.S. – NWO sucked, DX is the best faction of all time, NWO was a freaking WCW organisation, not WWE. Again – noob.

#13 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:09 am

…..Kid, I’m sorry, but when was the last time you watched wrestling? I have watch wrestling religiously since 1990, and have seen all of the Hogan era. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, and you are embarrassing yourself. Im going to pick everything you just said apart, so you can realize how stupid you sound Mkay?

“Hogan was entertaining for his time, just like Santino Marella would have been entertaining during that time.”

I dont remember Santion wining the WWE title and holding it for years straight, selling out arenas with over 93,000 people in arena and thousands siting outside of it watching big screens, making his company into the biggest wrestling organization on Earth, doing the same thing for WCW, and being the most over wrestler in HISTORY, do you?

“No – selling all your opponents moves is not a way to perform in the ring”

The majority of Hogans matches involved him selling every move his opponent would use, with great effectivity because Hogan was in agony, perhaps you were referring to the “Hulk up” well this was a part of his character, the hero that overcomes the odds and defeats evil, thats very entertaining, and is what wrestling is all about, I doubt you complained when someone like Sting and many other wrestlers followed Hogans formula to success.

“Claiming ratings fell during HBK’s time as champion proves you don’t even have ANY knowledge of Wrestling past 2002.”

Really? Have you ever actually seen the wrestlings ratings during the Monday night wars? When Shawn Moichaels was on top, WCW was BURYING WWE in ratings, the ratings only picked up once Austin won the title from Michaels at Wrestlemania, this a=is a fact, check any ratings website and compared them to who held the belt at that time. Oh and by the way, you know who was on top when WCW was destroying Raw? HULK HOGAN.

“HBK was the man who carried the entire “Attitude Era”, heck, he INVENTED the Attitude Era”

Are you fucking serious? Are you that stupid? It is widely except that Stone Cold Steve Austin started the Attitude Era with his “3:16 moment”, as a matter of fact Shawn Michaels MISSED THE ENTIRE ATTITUDE ERA! It shows you have not been watching wrestling very long because you would have known Michaels suffered a career ending back injury that forced him into an early retirement before the Attitude Era even kicked off. Austin carried the company during th attitude era, and you would have to be in total denial or mentally retarded to say otherwise.

“it was HBK who took the business mainstream and it was during DX’s run that WWE (Or WWF as it was known) ratings were at an all – time high.”

Wrong, Hogan took the business mainstream years before, and Austin took it mainstream again during the Attitude Era. Ask someone about Austin, most people will know who he is, Shawn Michaels? Not so much.

An I disproved the ratings thing already.

“If it wasn’t for DX, WWE would have gone under, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.”

Wrong, WCW was still killing WWF when DX existed, Austin saved WWF, not Michaels or DX.

“If you enjoy the performances of Hogan or Taker then you must also think John Cena is the best thing to happen to WWE”

Actually John Cena is the top wrestler in the world right now. He makes WWE more money than anyone else right now, draws higher ratings than everyone else, and he puts on better matches that the majority of wrestler right now, whether you are booing, or cheering, everyone is into a Cena match. You are just one of those smarks who boos him because you think its cool, sorry its not 2007 any more, get the fuck over yourself.

“your knowledge of Wrestling is beyond that of a begginer – go look up the Attitude Era and tell me who was on top during the most crucial time in WWE history, noob”

Stone Cold Steve Austin, everyone knows that, I used to tune in and cheer for him, just like everyone else.

“Oh and P.S. – NWO sucked, DX is the best faction of all time, NWO was a freaking WCW organisation, not WWE. Again – noob.”

NWO was in WCW, you are correct, but do they suck? No. WCW was on top destroying WWE in ratings for well over a year straight. They were doing so because Hogan, known world wide at that time for being a monster face joined NWO in the greatest Heel turn in history and lead the faction to amazing success. But let me guess, you think “It wasnt in WWE, it must not be good, it sucks”, if so you are nothing more than a sheep, force fed WWE and shunning all others, WCW was better than WWE for a long time, this is a fact, and back then I watched both, I loved WCW, and I loved WWE. It was a great time for wrestling as competition brings out the best in both sides.

Now onto DX. Lets see, they were a bunch of guys parading around, swearing, exposing themselves, and acting like a bunch of kids, making sexual jokes, and doing everything for shock value in a weak attempt to get ratings, which failed, for all intents and purposes they were a rip off of NWO, which failed miserably. One HBK was injured they broke up and HHH was pushed. Thats about it.

NWO is superior in every way, HBK isnt in Hogans league reguardless of what WWE says, hes not in Austins league either, hes not in Undertakers league either, this man is no where near the best ever, and while it may be hard to wrap your tiny little brain around that, because you have been fed propaganda by WWE, its the truth.

#14 David Macphail says:
March 18th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

LOL, i’m sorry kid but the fact that you think John Cena is a good wrestler proves you know nothing about how Wrestling works at all. Do you know WHY Cena got booed out of the building at WM 22 AND WM 23, even though he was a face at the time? Because he can’t perform in the ring, that’s why. Cena was getting put over athletes who were infinetly more talented and the fans, the REAL fans, didn’t like it.

John Cena is WWE’s golden boy – he appeals to the 7 year – old kids who have WWE dreams of their own – much like yourself. The little kids cheer him and boo Chris Jericho because that’s what WWE wants, that’s the angle those 2 have. John Cena is superman, he comes out and shakes kids hands, he salutes the fans, the kids love it. Jericho is supposed to be a heel so he comes out and calls the fans “Jerm – incubators” and all the rest of it, so they boo him. Your problem is that, because you are still a pre – teen (At least mentally) you think when the fans cheer a wrestler he is good and when they boo him he is bad. The fact is Chris Jericho is twice the athlete John Cena will ever be, it doesn’t matter whether he gets booed every night or not.

I know, you are most likely 7 or 8 years old and when Cena comes out and salutes to the crowd you nearly die of excitement, that’s all good. However when you get older you’ll realise there’s more to Wrestling than just being a nice guy. Even when HBK was rolling with DX and was the most controversial heel in WWE history, many fans still adored him because he can perform in the ring, the same goes for when HHH was a heel, or Randy Orton. The only people who actually ENJOY the Wrestling ability of Hogan or Cena are the 8 year – olds who have no idea what Wrestling actually is, they cheer who they are supposed too and they boo who they are suppsoed to, they don’t know/care about Wrestling itself, they just like the good guys, this is the category you fall into. If John Cena had a sudden heel turn you would be on here next Monday night saying “Cena sucks”. Like i say – you have no knowledge of Wrestling, you just like the good guys, there’s nothing wrong with that but trying to debate Cena’s in – ring ability proves you may well have learning difficulties.

Now, your idea of “Attitude” is stupid. You have been faked into believing Austin was the next coming or whatever like the rest of the kids in the audience, HBK was the most controversial icon in sports entertainment during his time with DX, this is what started the Attitude Era. Stone Cold merely carried it because HBK was injured. Had HBK not suffered that back injury, Austin wouldn’t have been in the title picture more than 6 months.

I know you probably feel like an idiot right now, let’s be honest, you should. HBK’s match with Bret Hart was voted by the WWE superstars as the greatest match of all time, yet you think John Cena is the better performer? LMAO! So now you think you know more than the WWE superstars themselves? You MUST be mentally retarded. You have been spoon – fed this idea that Cena and the Undertaker are awesome like the other 8 year – olds in the audience, for the last time kid, being a nice guy doesn’t mean they are great wrestlers.

Your tiny little brain can’t comprehend the difference between a wrestlers “Status (That’s “Face” or “Heel” for you, kid) and their ability to actually WRESTLE. You continue to cheer the good guys and boo the bad guys and wait for your mom to change your diaper. When you finally hit the big 10 years of age, maybe you’ll be willing to debate in – ring quality instead of how “Over” a superstar is with the fans.

Your comments prove you have no idea about the wrestling business itself, you just like who is nice to the fans. Grow up a bit and stop acting like a freaking retard. Jericho does not suck, no matter how much the fans boo him, Cena does no matter how much the 7 year – olds scream whenever he enters the building.

#15 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

Once again you show that you know nothing about wrestling, the more you post the more unintelligent you look, so here I go again, picking apart your words

“LOL, i’m sorry kid but the fact that you think John Cena is a good wrestler proves you know nothing about how Wrestling works at all.”

Actually I think it shows I know a lot about how the business works, you see John Cena is a great wrestler, he sells the most merchandise, everyone is into his matches whether it is to boo him or cheer him, hes charismatic, a great promo cutter, and makes more money than anyone else in the business right now, bar none. Thus he is the greatest wrestler, because this what sports entertainment is all about.

“Do you know WHY Cena got booed out of the building at WM 22 AND WM 23, even though he was a face at the time? Because he can’t perform in the ring, that’s why.”

No, the reason he was getting booed out of the building is because this was the year that all the smarks started complaining “Cenaz only knoz fourz movez” and so they booed him, then all of you little faggy posers decided to tag along because you thought it made you look cool to boo Cena. You opeople who boo him know absolutely nothing about the professional wrestling/ sport entertainment business, you just think that a great wrestler does a lot of flips and 1000 kinds of arm drags, and so you jizz yourself when Shelton Benjamon comes out, allthough you dont realize it doesnt make you a great wrestler, because he has no character, no personality, and has terrible ring psychology.

“Cena was getting put over athletes who were infinetly more talented and the fans, the REAL fans, didn’t like it.”

John Cena was getting put over these wrestlers because hes the companies top draw, and is better than them, thats how it works, it wouldnt make any sense to make the top draw job to everyone in the company, because no one would want to see him any more.

And who are “The REAL fans”? A bunch of smarks who think they can run the company better than Vince Mcmahon and cheer the heels because heels are “cooler”, you see you are not real fans, you cheer heels which doesnt allow them to get put over, it ruins their characters, and you have NO IDEA how to run a wrestling organization, if Vince or Bishoff had ever listened to you idiots their companies would have gone down years ago.

“John Cena is WWE’s golden boy – he appeals to the 7 year – old kids who have WWE dreams of their own”

Incorrect, I am an adult, and I know many adults much older than myself, or even just slightly orlder who love Cena, because they understand how great he actually is, nice try.

“much like yourself.”

Nope, adult, sorry buddy.

“The little kids cheer him and boo Chris Jericho because that’s what WWE wants, that’s the angle those 2 have. John Cena is superman, he comes out and shakes kids hands, he salutes the fans, the kids love it. Jericho is supposed to be a heel so he comes out and calls the fans “Jerm – incubators” and all the rest of it, so they boo him.”

See this clearly shows you do not know anything about wrestling. Wrestling is built upon Heels and Faces, Cena is a face, the good guy, Jericho is the Hell, the bad guy. This has been going on since the bigging of wrestling, wrestling is about the clash of good any evil, and goods ultimate triumph over it. John Cena as the companies top draw is the face, he will defeat the evil heels and have them built up to be fed to him, this happens with EVERY top draw, Happened with Sammartino, Backlund, Hogan, Austin, and now Cena. Jericho plays a hell because quite frankly hes great at it, he is an increddibly talented wrestler, but theres something you dont understand, Jericho CHOSE to be a heel, WWE didnt say “Grr we are evil, we love Cena, and hate Jericho, you be heel, grr” Jericho said “I realize my face retun has been kinda flat, why dont I become a heel, and help to put over wrestlers because I know I can draw mega heat” and thus he did. Jericho comes up with the ideas for all of his fueds, Micky Rourk, Batista, Mysterio, and he writes all of his lines, because he is that damn good, better than Cena? No, Jericho draws nowhere near that of Cena, thus why hes not on top of the company.

“Your problem is that, because you are still a pre – teen (At least mentally)”

Was this your attempt to insult me? Wow that is certainly the greatest insult I could ever be hit with [sarcasm]

“you think when the fans cheer a wrestler he is good and when they boo him he is bad.”

Incorrect, wrestlers can be great whether they are a heel or a face, it all depends on the specific talents I have outlined, you apparently skipped over them. Also I have already listed how great Hogan was as a heel, and how he once again revolutionized the business, so this claim you made is invalid.

“The fact is Chris Jericho is twice the athlete John Cena will ever be, it doesn’t matter whether he gets booed every night or not.”

Chris Jerichos job is to GET BOOED! Hes a heel, thats what he does! Also Cena can actually put on a very technical have you ever seen his indy days as “The Prototype”? Cena is fully capable of wrestling technically, just like Hogan, but they both chose to wrestle a style that the fans enjoy more, and I mean fans as in the majority, not you smarmy smarks.

“I know, you are most likely 7 or 8 years old and when Cena comes out and salutes to the crowd you nearly die of excitement, that’s all good. However when you get older you’ll realise there’s more to Wrestling than just being a nice guy.”

7 or 8? Do you honestly believe a 7 or 8 year old would have the diction I possess? I like John Cena, but he is far from my favorite wrestler, that would be Undertaker, a wrestler I have watched since his debut in 1990, something Im sure you are too you to have seen.

“Even when HBK was rolling with DX and was the most controversial heel in WWE history”

Far from it, that title would probably go to Jake The Snake Roberts, Rick Flair, or The Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiasi

“many fans still adored him because he can perform in the ring, the same goes for when HHH was a heel, or Randy Orton.”

Fans booed Michaels, because he was a heel, that was his job. He was this cocky asshole who got all of the women, and that was the point. The thing is no where many people were booing him as they were Hogan when he and the REAL faction NWO was running rampant across WCW. Michaels drew shitty ratings and WWE couldnt wait to get the belt off of him and onto Austin.

Also Orton and HHH are much better as Heels than they are faces, but they STILL dont draw as much as Cena, they both have had their chances, HHH more than anyone, but they DO NOT draw as much as Cena, case closed.

“The only people who actually ENJOY the Wrestling ability of Hogan or Cena are the 8 year – olds who have no idea what Wrestling actually is, they cheer who they are supposed too and they boo who they are suppsoed to, they don’t know/care about Wrestling itself, they just like the good guys, this is the category you fall into.”

Wrong, I and many other people my age enjoy the wrestling of Hogan and Cena, they put on great entertaining matches, they connect to the crowd like no one else, they have great charisma, and they put on great matches.

They cheer for who they are supposed to and boo who they are supposed to, this is how wrestling works, you see they act all mean and evil to get people to boo them, thats because they are heels, watch WWE some time, youll see adults booing them too, and youll see adults cheering Cena. Guess why? Becuase they arent some smarmy little bastard who thinks he know better, he knows everything about wrestling, and he could run the company better than Vince Mcmahon.

“If John Cena had a sudden heel turn you would be on here next Monday night saying “Cena sucks”. Like i say – you have no knowledge of Wrestling, you just like the good guys, there’s nothing wrong with that but trying to debate Cena’s in – ring ability proves you may well have learning difficulties.”

If Cena pulled a heel turn I would be excited, Cena has been heel before, and he was great, he got the crowd to hate him like no other, thats the mark of a great heel. I would still like Cena, just as I have liked every other wrestler that I have enjoyed who changed sides, because they are still good, and you dont seem to understand this. Besides the majority of people in the country like Cena, you are simply the very loud and obnoxious minority. You need to just shut the heel up and stop spoiling the fun for everyone else. If you dont like the product you are watching, change the channel, if not then dont complain.

“Now, your idea of “Attitude” is stupid. You have been faked into believing Austin was the next coming or whatever like the rest of the kids in the audience”

Austin was on top the entire attitude Era, and even a little afterwards, this is undebatable factual evidence, SHAWN MICHAELS MISSED THE ENTIRE ATTITUDE ERA! HE WAS INJURED! HE COULDNT WRESTLE SO HE RETIRED! Are you that stupid? How long have you been watching wrestling? A year? Because you obviously dont know anything you are talking about. You are making yourself look like an idiot, and need to stop talking right now.

“HBK was the most controversial icon in sports entertainment during his time with DX, this is what started the Attitude Era.”

No wrong, sorry. Austins “3:16 moment” at King Of The Ring started the Attitude Era.

“Stone Cold merely carried it because HBK was injured. Had HBK not suffered that back injury, Austin wouldn’t have been in the title picture more than 6 months.”

Hate to break it to you, but Austin was winning that belt from Michaels whether he was injured or not. Austin was a house of fire, lightning in a bottle, he was MASSIVELY OVER, much more the HBK. Hbk simply would have gotten out of the way, lost the bekt, and Austin never would have come down until the same exact time he did. Once he won the belt ratings went up, and they won the Monday Night Wars, something HBK was unable to do.

“I know you probably feel like an idiot right now, let’s be honest, you should.”

I feel it is the opposite

“HBK’s match with Bret Hart was voted by the WWE superstars as the greatest match of all time, yet you think John Cena is the better performer? LMAO!”

Im sorry, but this is simply wrong. The WWE superstars voted in a rigged vote, Vince woulnd not let them pick anything else. Most wrestlers have gone on record to say the greatest match of all time is either Hogan Vs Andre, or Austin Vs Brett Hart, and basically every wrestling publication on Earth does as well.

People are more into Cena matches, he connects to the crowd better, he sells more tickets, and merchandise, he gets higher ratings, so do I think Cena is better? Undoubtedly.

“So now you think you know more than the WWE superstars themselves? You MUST be mentally retarded.”

Sorry, I actually have a very High IQ, much higher than your apparently, because you dont research anything you say, and I have been watching wrestling much longer than you have, and I unlike you am not some stupid smark who actually thinks hes knows better for the wrestling business than Vince Mcmahon.

“You have been spoon – fed this idea that Cena and the Undertaker are awesome like the other 8 year – olds in the audience”

No, I havent, I haved liked Undertaker since he debuted, He is simply amazing and one of the best ever. You seem to have been spoon fed that Michaels is the best ever by WWE, and I dont blame you, they have been saying this shit for years, why else did they force Falir to retire and have Michaels do it? Why else have him face Hogan. Unfortunately for the latter party, Hogan said no, because he realized HBK was not in his leuage, and rightfully so, I dont recall HBK ever selling out an arean that site 93,000 people with thousands more watching outside, or drawing anything near Hogan, because he didnt.

“for the last time kid, being a nice guy doesn’t mean they are great wrestlers.”

Never once said it did, what I have outlined in other posts is what makes you a great wrestler. Not doing lots of flips, 1000 different arm drags, or being bland like Shelton Benjamon who botches every other move.

“Your tiny little brain can’t comprehend the difference between a wrestlers “Status (That’s “Face” or “Heel” for you, kid)”

Face and Heel are business terms, My brain can fully comprehend this, can yours?

“and their ability to actually WRESTLE.”

Yes professional wrestling, entertaining the crowd, having great in ring charisma, crowd connection, hitting moves they enjoy, drawing crowds, getting ratings, do I need to keep repeating this?

“You continue to cheer the good guys and boo the bad guys and wait for your mom to change your diaper.”

Incorrect, I like whomever appeals to me, even when Taker or Hogan was heel I still loved them, I think HHH is a better heel, same with Orton, Ric Flair was as well, I dont see where you get this shit from.

“When you finally hit the big 10 years of age, maybe you’ll be willing to debate in – ring quality instead of how “Over” a superstar is with the fans.”

Lol another insult, because you cant actually debate something intelligently.

I have explained this to you before, professional wrestling is about entertaining the fans, being over, selling merch, drawing crowds, charisma, and using moved they enjoy, not about doing 1000 armscrews, armdrags, flips, etc. You simply dont understand this because you are a smark, you think Shelton Bejamon should be WWE champion right now so you can jizz yourself whenever he does a flip and cuts a horrible promo.

“Your comments prove you have no idea about the wrestling business itself, you just like who is nice to the fans.”

Wrong, I actually laugh when they say shit to the fans and make them boo them, because that is the mark of a great wrestler, someone who is massively over as a heel or face.

“Grow up a bit and stop acting like a freaking retard. Jericho does not suck, no matter how much the fans boo him”

Never said he did, hes an awesome wrestler, hes great at making the crowd hate him, and is one of the best from this generation, he however does not draw the crowds like Cena, Sell the merch like Cena, or get the ratings of Cena, thus why hes not on top as much, and why hes used as enhancement talent to get other wrestlers over.

“Cena does no matter how much the 7 year – olds scream whenever he enters the building.”

7, 8, 9 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ,15 ,16 ,17 ,18 ,19 20, year olds, (do I need to continue?) All love Cena, because he is a great wrestler and draws crowds. I cheer for him, just as a cheer for Taker, I boo Orton because I know that thats what he wants, because hes a heel, and when all of you stupid smarks cheer him as a heel it makes it seem like there a problem with his portrayal. All you people do is ruin shows for everyone else, why pay to go to the shows if you don’t like the product? Why even tune in? Go watch ROH and all those guys do 1000000 flips and armdrags while you jizz youself with excitement, Ill watch real, exciting, compelling, sports entertainment and enjoy it.

#16 David Macphail says:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:32 am

Your comment prove you have no idea how Wrestling works, you’re just embarassing yourself now, kid. All i see is a pre – teen loser with far too much spare time on his hands, so he makes a 12 – page post yet only makes the same point over and over again – “Fans of any age can enjoy Cena.”. LOL.

Cena does not draw crowds you misguided moron – the people who fill up the buildings every night fill it up in the hopes of John Cena LOSING. Now, in case you didn’t know, when the biggest face in WWE has every single real fan hoping he finally, FINALLY drops the belt after like 22 months as champion that is NOT a good image for the business to have. Even TNA was laughing at WWE in that time Cena was running around beating everyone on the roster and the fans booed him every night, however crybaby spastics like yourself can’t understand that, because you don’t have the mental capacity to realise why proper fans would want to boo a “Good guy”.

The vote for the greatest match of all time wasn’t rigged – further proof you have no idea what wrestling is, the Slammy awards are rigged, this was not. HBK VS Bret Hart at WM 12 was, in the eyes of the WWE superstars, the best match in the history of professional wrestling. That is a fact, a fact that 8 year – old fuckfaces like yourself can’t comprehend because of your mental retardation. Seriosuly kid, you must be so inbred your family tree must only have one branch.

Orton gets cheered not because he’s bad at being a heel but because he’s too good in the ring for the fans not to appreciate it. John Cena is exactly the opposite. When Randy Orton broke his collarbone about 2 years ago it was the biggest hit WWE had taken in a long time. When Cena got put out of action at the hands of Orton and had to forfeit the title it was the biggest boost the company had seen in years. Further proof you don’t even research what you’re talking about. The fans, the real fans, LOVED the fact that finally Cena was FORCED to stop parading around the ring as WWE champion for years at a time making a mockery out of professional wrestling.

Why do you think Cena was only champion for a few months before he had to drop the title to Sheamus? Because Vince knows damn well that Cena as champion + 5 months = no ratings. That’s why. You’re just embarassing yourself by trying to argue with facts.

I cheer for wrestlers like HBK, HHH, Shelton Benjamin, Chris Jericho, Randy Orton, R – Truth and Rey Mysterio because of their wrestling ability. I boo John Cena, The Undertaker and Drew Mcintyre because they are overrated piles of crap with a good on – screen personality but no in – ring ability.

Oh yeah and if people doing Arm drags and flips is bad for the business then why did Vince insist on putting Jeff Hardy over as main champion twice? Or having Rey Mysterio win the Royal Rumble and go on to Wrestlemania 22, putting him over both Kurt Angle and Randy Orton? Again – proof that you don’t follow wrestling at all.

If you want to see the same guy win over and over again without putting in any effort then why not just watch a Superman movie? Leave watching wrestling for the real wrestling fans, those who actually appreciate a performance rather than a “Good guy beats bad guy” story.

#17 BERSERKR says:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:57 am

I love HBK, but Undertaker has and always will be my favorite.

#18 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 2:50 am

“Your comment prove you have no idea how Wrestling works, you’re just embarassing yourself now, kid.”

Actually my posts have proved I know exactly what I am talking about.

“All i see is a pre – teen loser with far too much spare time on his hands”

Dude Im an adult, How old are you? Let me guess 15? 16? I dont have too much spare time on my hands, I am simply passionate about wrestling, and I know a hell of a lot more about it than you.

“so he makes a 12 – page post yet only makes the same point over and over again – “Fans of any age can enjoy Cena.”. LOL.”

Actually It is not even half a page, its mostly due to me correcting your every point, and because you keep posting again even though you dont research a sing thing you have said. I also make multiple points per post, you simply dont read them.

“Cena does not draw crowds you misguided moron – the people who fill up the buildings every night fill it up in the hopes of John Cena LOSING.”

WRONG, you could not be more wrong. The majhority of the people in this country LIKE CENA, I know this is hard for a smark like you to understand, but people like Cena, they like his promos, they like his in ring work, just because you dont like him for idiotic reasons doesnt mean every dislikes him.

“Now, in case you didn’t know, when the biggest face in WWE has every single real fan hoping he finally, FINALLY drops the belt after like 22 months as champion that is NOT a good image for the business to have.”

Once again you are wrong, a lot of people loved Cenas title run, you and a bunch of smarks simply spoiled the bunch by booing because of your bs reasons which I will not repeat because I have already listed them. You booed, people thought it was cool to boo and followed suit, but if you didnt notice, Idk if you even watch right now, but Cena is cheered by the majority of cities he goes to at this point, and even in cities in which hes booed he is cheered by the majority.

Also Cena’s reign was only about a year and a half, not 22 months.

“Even TNA was laughing at WWE in that time Cena was running around beating everyone on the roster and the fans booed him every night”

Are you talking about TNA who at that point had the biggest joke of a show on Earth? The same show that tried everything it could by mentioning and mock WWE to get even the smallest blip in ratings?

Heres a news flash, during Cena’s huge run ratings INCREASED.

“however crybaby spastics like yourself can’t understand that, because you don’t have the mental capacity to realise why proper fans would want to boo a “Good guy”.”

Isnt a crybaby someone who complains about the product, someone who boos the face champion because he thinks he could run the company better a crybaby rather than someone who actually enjoys the product and actually understand what it means to be a good wrestler. Also a proper fan is one whom supports the business and wrestlers, they boo the heels they enjoy because they know thats howm the heel gets over, and they cheer the face the like so that they get over.

“The vote for the greatest match of all time wasn’t rigged – further proof you have no idea what wrestling is,”

Vince has attempted to distance himself from Hogan for a while, of course he would not allow them to say that he was in the greatest match.

Besides the iron man match ruined the very idea of the match, an hour without a fall then OT with one? Thats just bs. The only good part of the match was the OT and thats it.

“the Slammy awards are rigged, this was not. HBK VS Bret Hart at WM 12 was, in the eyes of the WWE superstars, the best match in the history of professional wrestling.”

Which ones? I have seen and read interviews with a majority of them stating Hogan vs Andre, and Austin Vs Hart was the greatest, and btw it most certain is NOT the best match ever, not even close.

“That is a fact, a fact that 8 year – old fuckfaces like yourself can’t comprehend because of your mental retardation.”

Im sorry but if you honestly believe that myself, who can write much better, accurately spelled, paragraphs, and well researched arguments than yourself, then the only one here with a form of mental retardation is yourself.

“Seriosuly kid, you must be so inbred your family tree must only have one branch.”

Wow what a great insult, I may need therapy after this, is that really the best you’ve got?

“Orton gets cheered not because he’s bad at being a heel but because he’s too good in the ring for the fans not to appreciate it.”

WRONG AGAIN, Randy is great at being a heel, thus the MAJORITY of fans boo him, but a bunch of smarks like yourself decide “I like Orton, I dont care if he has gone on record saying that when he is a heel he hates it when people cheer him because it makes him think hes doing a bad job, Im going to cheer him because cheering heels is cool”

“John Cena is exactly the opposite. When Randy Orton broke his collarbone about 2 years ago it was the biggest hit WWE had taken in a long time. When Cena got put out of action at the hands of Orton and had to forfeit the title it was the biggest boost the company had seen in years.”

What the fuck are you talking about?! Are you that stupid? Cena was injured in a match with Kennedy when Kennedy botched taking a simple move, A HIP TOSS! Watch the match some time. Orton injuring Cena was added to the storyline to make Orton seem more evil, thats it. But another thing, when Orton got the belt ratings DECREASED! Orton doesnt draw as well as Cena, thus ratings went down.

“Further proof you don’t even research what you’re talking about. The fans, the real fans, LOVED the fact that finally Cena was FORCED to stop parading around the ring as WWE champion for years at a time making a mockery out of professional wrestling.”

What is a “REAL” fan? Some little asshole who thinks that they know whats best for the business who is a smark, and who thinks the exact way you? The majority of fans like Cena, whether you do or not, they dont give a fuck what you think, and most of them would just laugh at you, like I am right now because of your stupidity.

“Why do you think Cena was only champion for a few months before he had to drop the title to Sheamus? Because Vince knows damn well that Cena as champion + 5 months = no ratings. That’s why. You’re just embarassing yourself by trying to argue with facts.”

I highly doubt you known anything about ratings, or anything about what Vince thinks, so dont even attempt to talk about the subject. Sheamus won the belt from Cena because he happens to be the workout partner of Vinces son in law HHH, HHH is going to use this to get over once he wins the royal rumble and wins the belt from Sheamus at Wrestlemania.

“I cheer for wrestlers like HBK, HHH, Shelton Benjamin, Chris Jericho, Randy Orton, R – Truth and Rey Mysterio because of their wrestling ability. I boo John Cena, The Undertaker and Drew Mcintyre because they are overrated piles of crap with a good on – screen personality but no in – ring ability.”

No in ring ability? Are you fucking retarded? The undertaker is easily one of the greatest in ring performers of all time, He has so many classic matches that its impossible to deny this. His ring psychology is second to none(doubt you understand what that even is) and he makes Shelton Benjamin look like a new born baby. And talk about no talent, Benjamin not only botches every other move he does, but he has NO personality, terrible ring psychology
and horrible crowd connection. Why do you think hes never been champion? Because he sucks!

“Oh yeah and if people doing Arm drags and flips is bad for the business then why did Vince insist on putting Jeff Hardy over as main champion twice?”

Jeff Hardy was given the belt THREE TIMES not twice, because he had a large cult following, and its not from flips and arm drags, but from jumping off high things and destroying his body for years on end, Hardy is a horrible wrestler, all he does is spot after spot, hes a drug addict, who was busted and is going to jail soon, and he threw everything WWE gave him away to go to TNA so he could keep doing drugs.

“Or having Rey Mysterio win the Royal Rumble and go on to Wrestlemania 22, putting him over both Kurt Angle and Randy Orton?”

Simple, because Eddie Guerrero had just died, and they though Chavo wasnt good enough to win the title. This is the only reason that he won, so they could capitalize of of Eddies death. No one would ever believe that that 160 pound midget would ever win the World HEAVYWEIGHT Championship under any other circumstances.

“Again – proof that you don’t follow wrestling at all.”

Wrong, I watch religiously, and have since 1990, because I love it so much. Its the greatest variety show on television, and Im happy I can enjoy it 4 times a week, every week.

“If you want to see the same guy win over and over again without putting in any effort then why not just watch a Superman movie?”

Seeing as how much Cena has been losing over the past few months this is the opposite of what you should be saying. Also Cena spends the whole matches getting beaten up, the he makes his comeback and wins, this is how most big heels have been presented, HBK does it too if youve never noticed.

“Leave watching wrestling for the real wrestling fans, those who actually appreciate a performance rather than a “Good guy beats bad guy” story.”

This is what wrestling is all about though. You see you simply dont understand, I love wrestling, I love the performances, I love the storylines, the drama, the promos, all of it, wrestling isnt just about a match with no story to it that is people doing flips and arm drags and dragon screws for an hour, if you want that then watch Japanese wrestling, where the fans sit in silence the entire time.

You dont understand, wrestling is about the entertainment, wrestlers who connect to the crowd, who have charisma, who tell stories, its about the pull of good and bad, good versus evil, and this is how it has ALWAYS BEEN, Im sure you are just a teenager, so you dont understand yet, but when you get to be my age youll understand, your mind will clear up and you will see what I am saying is true. Wrestling is actors mixed with athletics, the best actor gets the biggest lead, and the best reaction, be it negative or positive. If you want gymnastics, watch gymnastics, if you want mat wrestling watch amature wrestling, if you want to see people nearly kill themselves doing crazy shit watch dare devil shows or jackass, if you want story telling, great performers, and a struggle between good and evil, watch wrestling, its that simple.

Im done replying to you, it doesnt do any good, your ignorance is simply staggering and astounding, go do some research, go read some wrestlers books, watch some classic videos, learn about wrestling, because Im not here to educate you, I couldnt give a damn about you, Im done, please dont keep wasting my time responding, because all I do is make you look more like a fool.

#19 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 2:54 am

Berserkr: I love HBK too, Undertaker is also my favorite, but this kid doesnt actually understand what he is talking about, he doesnt understand anything other than “Cenaz only knoz 4 movez” and what WWE has shoved down his throat with their revisionist history. I miss the times when there was competition, WCW in its prime, hell even ECW was something to watch, Hopefully TNA will truly improve and give WWE some competition, that would be some good enjoyable entertainment right there.

#20 David Macphail says:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

Look kid, stop embarassing yourself. Jeff Hardy got busted for drugs about 7 freaking years ago – that’s when he went to TNA, if he never got himself clean, WWE would never have allowed him to come back and win the World title, would they? Also, saying Rey wouldn’t have won the World title under any other circumstances proves you know nothing about what wrestling is, saying a 160 pounder would never be a main champion? LOL, HBK was about 190 pounds when he first won the WWE title, further proof you haven’t watched wrestling in the past 2 decades.

You have made it clear, time and again, that you are under the impression the wrestler who sells the most t – shirts and baseball caps is the best in – ring performer, that is the mental attitude of a 7 year – old. By that logic, Matt Hardy is also the best wrestler of all time because he is majorly over with the fans and sells loads of merchandise, in fact, by that logic Santino Marella and The Great Khali are also the best of all time because they are popular with the fans. This proves you have no knowlegde of wrestling at all.

You don’t even understand what an in – ring performance is, which is why you can’t wrap your tiny little brain around the fact that a good guy like Cena would get booed out of the building every night in the 12 months between WM 22 and WM 23. The real fans don’t go to watch somebody be nice to the audience and then botch every other move, they go to see a real in – ring performance. HBK is the best at giving a performance in the WWE, even Ric Flair said so himself.

You like John Cena because he used to come out wearing your home town’s Football jersey and do a cute little rap and then go in the ring and mess up something as simple as a shoulder block. You didn’t care about his wrestling skill, your only thought was “Oh, this guy made a funny rap about his opponent. That’s awezomes! The way he made those words all rhyme like that…….this is the best thing everz!”, this is because you can’t comprehend the difference between charisma and performance. The Miz has great charsima, he is one of the best on – screen characters in the business today, does that mean you are going to argue he is also automatically the best performer? LOL……..oh dear.

I tell you what – why don’t you actually WATCH a wrestling match for once in your life? I’ll give you a good start – HBK VS Hulk Hogan at Summerslam 2005. Then you’ll see what everyone else does, Hogan’s performance was as stale as year – old bread. HBK carried that entire freaking match, while Hogan would pull off the odd Clothesline or Big Boot and then Hulk – Up at the end to take the last shred of realism away from the match. Hogan’s match with Orton a year later was equally abysmal. The last good performance Hogan offered the WWE was at Wrestlemania XIX against Mcmahon in the Street Fight, after that he shouldn’t have been let near the ring.

Being able to talk on the Mic for hours at a time does not make you a good wrestler, being a good wrestler makes you a good wrestler. You are either too young or too stupid to understand this, you do not care about what you see in the ring, you only care that the good guy is always on top. This proves you either have mental retardation or you just don’t understand what a wrestling performance is.

Do me a favour kid…..go and ask Kurt Angle what Cena’s in – ring skills are ACTUALLY like. If you tell any real wrestler what you’ve been telling me, they’ll laugh their asses off at you. You have no idea what a performance is and you’re just embarassing yourself trying to debate further when it’s clear you only like who can salute the crowd the most times in 5 minutes.

#21 Jesse says:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

Furyof5 and David:

In actuality, niether of you are wrong. Both of you (quite ardently I might add) have denoted the qualities needed to be considered “the greatest wrestler of all time.” The conflict you guys are having (and its a good debate, minus the immature insults) is rooted in the fact that you both have different definitions of “greatest of all time,” and thus the attributes there in needed by this wrestler differ.

Furyof5 has made it clear that a “great” wrestler is someone who makes their respected wrestling company the most amount of money. Obviously, there is a lot entailed with being able to do this; a wrestler must be decent in all aspects of his job description as it pertains to “professional wrestling”, and should be exceedingly good in specific areas. The end result would be a wrestler that is entertaining and enjoyable to watch.

David feels that the qualitites of a “great” wrestler are weighted more on his “in-ring athletic ability”. Of course, he’s not saying (I believe he’s not) that all a great wrestler needs is to be athletic– there are other important attributes that need to exist in conjunction with a wrestler’s “in-ring athleticism” that make him great.

How do I feel?

Well, my favorite wrestler of all time is HBK, with Undertaker coming in a very, very close second.

However, if you asked me who I feel is the “greatest wrestler of all time” is, I would have to answer with “Hulk Hogan” (or Zues).

The magnitude of Hulk Hogan’s charisma was so great that the industry chose to shape itself around his character– not once, but twice. Now whether you enjoyed seeing Hulk headline WrestleMania 1 – 8, or his massive heel run in WCW, the end result is the same– that is, with Hogan on center stage, people were watching. Although I tend to covet “in-ring athleticism” slightly more than how charasmatic a wrestler is, the influence of the character Hulk Hogan was simply too great for him not to be considered “the greatest” (in my opinion).

Here is an interesting (and fun) way to measure (subjectively that is) the attributes of a wrestler:

Measure how you think your favorite wrestler scores (as honestly as you can) in each of these categories:

1)Mic Skills (Promos)
2)In-Ring Athleticism (Self explanitory)
3)Selling Moves
4)In-Ring Chemistry (How versatile is the wrestler’s style + how well can he set or follow an entertaining pace)
5)Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character, as it relates to running storylines or fueds)
5)Influence Across the Professional Wrestling Medium

Scores: A+,A,A-,B+,B,B-,C+,C,C-,D, and F.

(by no way am I trying to create the “definitive” parameters for “professional wrestling greatness”, just put what you believe)

Hulk Hogan’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: A+
In-Ring Athleticism: D
Selling Moves: C
In-Ring Chemistry: B
Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): A+
Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: A+

HBK’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: A-
In-Ring Athleticism: A+
Selling Moves: A+
In-Ring Chemistry: A
Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): A+
Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: B+

Steve Austin’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: A
In-Ring Athleticism: C
Selling Moves: B+
In-Ring Chemistry: B+
Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): A+
Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: A+

John Cena’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: D (as a face) / A- (as a heel)
In-Ring Athleticism: C
Selling Moves: B+
In-Ring Chemistry: B-
Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): B
Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: B+

You guys post some.

#22 Mike says:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

1. Hulk Hogan
2. The Undertaker
3. The Rock
4. Andre the Giant
5. Stone Cold
6. Yokozuna
7. Hitman
8. HBK
9. HHH
10. Mr. Perfect

#23 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

Jesse: I agree with what youve had to say, Im done debating with him, his constant insults have only weakened his case.

Now I have a misconception to clear up

Hulk Hogan’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: A+

In-Ring Athleticism: D

This is incorrect, Hogan could actually put on a hell of a match, he simply changed his style to a “high impact” offense because that is what the American fans enjoyed most. Watch his work in Japan, he has great technical abilities, and puts an a hell of a match, watch his matches with Stan Hansen, Andre, and many others, youll be pleasantly surprised.

Selling Moves: C

Now IDK what you are referring to when you think about selling, but Hogan does it best, I mean watch his matches, he spent the majority of them getting beaten up by his opponent and making each move look deadly, his opponents always came out looking like 1,000,000 bucks. Now Idk when the last time you watched a Hogan match, so all you may remember is the “Hulk Up” well this would happen at the end of his matches, and he didnt always win with it either.
This should be an A+

In-Ring Chemistry: B

Once again observe his matches, he makes his opponent look great, he had great matches in japan, and he makes the crowd get into the matches, thus another A

Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): A+

Most certainly

Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: A+

Undeniable

So an updated card should be

Hulk Hogan’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: A+
In-Ring Athleticism: A
Selling Moves: A+
In-Ring Chemistry: A
Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): A+
Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: A+

Look at that

Now lets compare HBK

HBK’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: A-

Hmm, this is tricky, I would say this is right on the mark, but some of his recent promos are kinda odd in terms of timing, emotion, etc, so the A- B+ range is good.

In-Ring Athleticism: A+

I could agree, he doesnt really show it to a great extent any more though, his Mania match was great so Ill leave it here, definitely have been better in this area though.

Selling Moves: A+
In-Ring Chemistry: A
Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): A+

This is very arguable, Michaels was gone for years due to his back, when he returned he has been big yes, but I doubt that this would have happened had he stayed, he simply would have been swept under the rug like everyone else was during the Austin/Attitude Era

Id have to knock it down to an A for uncertainability

Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: B+

This is the one I most disagree with, Michaels has not influenced any other business except WWE, and even if he were not there not much would have changed, Bret Hart brought the Ladder Match to America, Vince thought of HIAC. To be honest Michaels has never innovated anything, he hasnt carried a company to any success, he hasnt been on top during any booms, he was gone during one of the most influential times in wrestling history, I can argue the only reason Michaels is so big today is due to the lackluster product since WWE bought out WCW and effectively ended the attitude Era, but he wasnt even around until after that, when he was brought in as a member of the “New NWO” and even then he was still in Hogans shadow as Hogan was running around with the Championship until he decided to start putting people over, then Michaels won the belt again the following year.

This grade should be a D-

ok now lets see

HBK’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: A-
In-Ring Athleticism: A+
Selling Moves: A+
In-Ring Chemistry: A
Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): A
Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: D-

Now lets compare this to Hogan

Hulk Hogan’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: A+
In-Ring Athleticism: A
Selling Moves: A+
In-Ring Chemistry: A
Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): A+
Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: A+

Hmm, answer is obvious, Hogan carried 2 companies on his back during their biggest times and is looking to do it with a third, Michaels failed to carry one and got sidelined for years, he provides great matches every now and then, but thats it.

Ps: Steve Austin

Steve Austin’s Attribute Report Card
Mic Skills: A+
In-Ring Athleticism: A+
Selling Moves: A
In-Ring Chemistry: A+
Out-of-Ring Chemistry (Versatility of Character): A+
Influence Across Professional Wrestling Medium: A+

Austins Mic work carried an era, A+ is a certainty, Watch his early work in WCW, his work as The Ring Master, and his even earlier work in the indies, Austin was a hell of a wrestler, and could put on a clinic.

#24 Jesse says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

Again, its all subjective. But I’ll take your advice and look into Hogan’s Japanese career. As for now, I still feel comfortable giving his in-ring athleticism a D, only because I feel that he came across slightly lazy during matches. Granted, Hogan was a large guy, and incredibly strong, however in the end I simply have to go with my gut.

The Selling Score was actually a typo, as it was Hogan’s ability to let his opponent beat the crap out of him, only to have him Hulk up in the end and win, that was Hogan’s in-ring saving grace. I would give Hogan a A- or A.

I totally respect your Opinion that HBK gets a D- for influence, however I do disagree. In no way shape or form can HBK compare in influence to Hogan, however I feel HBK is one of the first and most successful middleweight/ high risk/ high flying wrestlers to achieve high WWF lore. In addition, he consistently steals the show at Wrestlemania and has done so on so many occassions that people almost demand an excellent show from him, even now in his older age. Yes Bret did bring the ladder match, but you and I both know that HBK took that thing to another level, the same way The Hardyz, Dudleys, and E & C did years later.

Again, does this compare with what Hogan did? Hell no. But match excellence, as it pertains to “in-ring athleticism (coupled with great match flow and charisma), is what HBK represents– and that representation is something that aspiring wrestlers look to. Furthermore, although HBK was sidelined for some time, it was his exceptionally good heel worked that helped Launch (not carry) the Attitude Era. HBK presented the pefect antagonist for Austin. Austin was getting that belt–there’s no two ways about that, but DX really (and I mean this) made it look good. It is in that sense that I feel HBK deserves a B+.

As for Austin, I think he and Hogan are among the two most important wrestlers to strap up.

#25 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

Jesse: “I feel HBK is one of the first and most successful middleweight/ high risk/ high flying wrestlers to achieve high WWF lore.”

Youve never heard of Ricky The Dragon Steamboat? Jimmy The Superfly Snuka? Dynamite Kid? You need to freshen up your 80s wrestling knowledge because there were successful high flyers before HBK and Jannety even debuted.

“In addition, he consistently steals the show at Wrestlemania and has done so on so many occassions that people almost demand an excellent show from him, even now in his older age.”

This is VERY debatable, a large ammount of HBKs WM matches have been overblown by WWE to put him over, for example, HBK vs Vince Mcmahon Match of the year? Total bs, especially considering there were fantastic matches that year. I find Undertaker consistently steals the show at Mania, every year around mania its not “I wonder who HBK will face” its “I wonder who will try to break the streak this year” Undertaker is “Mr. Wrestlemania, not HBK.

WWE has tried everything in their power to make HBK look like one of i not the best ever, but it doesnt add up. I can understand if hes “your favorite wrestler” Mine is The Undertaker, but I realize Taker isn’t the best ever, simply one of them, Michaels however IMO doesnt belong in the top 5, and barely belongs in the top 10 if that. I feel if Bret Didnt screw up and sign with WCW where Goldberg broke his neck, and had a stroke, he would be in the same position as Michaels, working a light schedule and putting on great matches every now and then, and Vince would be putting him over as the best ever.

#26 David Macphail says:
March 18th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

LOL, i can’t believe this kid is debating HBK’s performance at Wrestlemania. Now you’re just making it obvious you’ve never watched a Wrestlemania event at all. HBK getting put over at WM every single year? Well let’s examine that claim, shall we? Just because i love embarassing noobs.

Since return from his back injury HBK has been put over twice at WM, VS Y2J at WM XIX and VS Vince Mcmahion at WM 22. The other years he has been the guy putting other people over.

At WM XX it was HBK and HHH who put over Chris Benoit.

At WM 21 it was HBK who put over Kurt Angle.

At WM 23 he put over John Cena and, despite HBK’s best efforts, Cena still stank out the building. You remember after the match when HBK refused to shake Cena’s hand? News flash kiddo – that wasn’t supposed to happen. In the script Cena and Michaels were supposed to shake hands as a sign of respect, but Cena’s god – awful performance pissed HBK off so much he just gave up trying to make him look good, much like Kurt Angle.

At WM 24, even though HBK won the match, it was his job to put over Ric Flair. Ric Flair wanted to have one GREAT last match, so he asked the only person he knew was capable of carrying the match to do it.

Finally, of course, WM 25. HBK put The Undertaker over, big time. He carried The Undertaker through that match just like he did when they met in the first ever Hell In A Cell match or the Casket match all those years ago. HBK made Taker look better than he is, you can not understand this because you haven’t been watching wrestling long enough. Taker’s usual performances at WM are horrifically stale unless he’s against a great opponent (HHH, Orton, Edge, HBK) who can make him look good.

You claim that HBK is the one getting put over when half the time it’s HBK that has to carry the entire freaking Wrestlemania card on his back, this proves you don’t know anything about how the business works.

Taker is just a man who gets put over heavily at WM each year for no reason other than to keep with tradition and is a part – time wrestler for the other 364 days. Very few people even care about Taker’s matches at WM anymore because the outcome is always the same. He gets beaten up for a bit, then he does that thing where he leaps over the top rope and lands on his opponent outside the ring. Then he hits the Last Ride, his opponent kicks out. His opponent hit’s their finishing manouvere, he kicks out and hit’s the Tombstone Piledriver for the win. If you’ve seen one Undertaker match, you’ve seen them all, much like Cena.

There’s nothing wrong with respecting what The Undertaker and John Cena do every night for the fans, nobody can deny the fact that they’re dedicated to their profession. However mentioning them in the same class as performers like Shawn Michaels, Edge, Rob Van Dam or Chris Jericho is a bit of a stretch as far as i’m concerned.

I prefer a wreslter who will go out and give a great performance, not somebody who’s gonna dress up like it’s Halloween and say he’s going to rip his opponents soul out through their face or something equally ridiculous.

#27 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

David Macphail: Are you still talking? You have done nothing but kill your credibility by levying constant insults, accuse me of being a kid, and constantly lead from assumptions.

I’m done talking to you, you are constantly spewing incorrect information, and are saying how you think a wrestler is the est ever just because hes your favorite, and when you obviously haven’t done any research on the matter whatsoever.

Why don’t you stop wasting my time. And allow people who actually know what they are talking about debate the issues, not just someone who says “HBK IS THE BEST!!!” and sticks his fingers in his ears and shuts his eyes because he knows hes wrong.

#28 David Macphail says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

LOL, so let me get this straight, you have left me a reply for the sole purpose of telling me that you’re not going to leave me a reply? ROFL – you must have learning difficulties. Oh and BTW you mis – spelled the word “Best” like a typical illiterate moron.

You know nothing about how wrestling works which is why you can’t even provide a decent rebuttal to my statements. The reason for this is because you have no knowledge of the wrestling business to back up your pathetic, childish claims with.

If you say you’re going to stop posting then why don’t you actually DO THAT instead of leaving 3 different comments on here all saying how you can’t be bothered replying anymore? LOL…….what are you, some kind of troll? Spamming the O – W comments section? Usually you only find those kinds of people on the videogame discussions………

You cannot debate this topic with facts or even an objective opinion, your last post proved that. You think Hogan is the best and are obviously in constant denial over his no – selling of opponents moves. Anyone who has seen even ONE of Hogan’s matches knows he is constantly guilty of no – selling his opponents moves to make himself look good. Why don’t you leave debating to the people who can think out a compelling argument instead of 3 paragraphs all detailing how you’re “Above this nonsense and won’t be replying anymore.”, hmm?

You really do personify the stereotypical “Forum troll”. You come on here making rash accusations and then, when proven wrong on the matter, you leave and go off looking for another website to terrorize with your nonsense. What a joke.

#29 Nate says:
March 18th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

This is epic. Fury and David, you guys should meet in the square circle and let the best man win.

#30 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

Lol, this is pretty funny, Tbh, I think I will continue.

“LOL, so let me get this straight, you have left me a reply for the sole purpose of telling me that you’re not going to leave me a reply?”

No, I was trying to appeal to your common sense and tell you this argument is pointless and I would like to end it, but apparently you have no common sense whatsoever.

“ROFL – you must have learning difficulties.”

No I dont, but once again you have shown you would rather resort to name calling rather than having an intelligent debate.

“Oh and BTW you mis – spelled the word “Best” like a typical illiterate moron.”

I think this is pretty funny, no one man is perfect, I never claimed to be, but when it comes to mis spellings I think you are calling the kettle black, as you appear to have a very limited vocabulary, and at the same time you appear to not be ale to form coherent sentences.

“You know nothing about how wrestling works which is why you can’t even provide a decent rebuttal to my statements.”

See this is your issue, you are using your own definitions as if they were some sort of Dogma, examples include “Real fans” something you will not clarify, but I assume you think a “real fan” is someone who thinks exactly the same way you do, as a smark, on who thinks that they could run the business better than Vince McMahon, one who defines how good a wrestler is by doing a bunch of athletic spots rather than one who tells a story in the ring. Also what exactly is a “decent rebuttal”? I have given points, explained my positions, and explained how they differ from yours, in turn you have called me names such as “Mentally retarded” a “Kid” someone with “Learning disabilities” and along the way have butchered the English language.

“The reason for this is because you have no knowledge of the wrestling business to back up your pathetic, childish claims with.”

Incorrect, I have been a wrestling fan for over 20 years, I have been reading columns written by wrestlers and people who have worked in the business for years as well. I have watched WWWF, WWF, WCW, ECW, and WWE(I will make a differentiation as you probably think there is one), I have watched shoot interviews with wrestlers over the years, I have gone to indy promotions and spoken to wrestlers, I know wrestlers and their families, as a matter of fact I am very good friends with Matt Morgan and his family as we grew up in the same town. I have researched wrestling, it is a passion of mine, so to tell me I dont know anything about wrestling is not only incorrect, but offensive to me.

Now when it comes to “how the wrestling business works” I am not qualified to work behind the scenes, and neither are you, and this is what makes me different than a smark, I do not claim I know everything about the wrestling business, I dont act as if I could be on the creative team or can replace Vince and do a better job, because I can’t, and you know just about as much as I do about how to run the sports entertainment business, and that is pretty little.

“If you say you’re going to stop posting then why don’t you actually DO THAT instead of leaving 3 different comments on here all saying how you can’t be bothered replying anymore?”

I left one, I commented to Jesse that I dont want to speak to you any more, but you dragged me back into it.

“LOL…….what are you, some kind of troll? Spamming the O – W comments section? Usually you only find those kinds of people on the videogame discussions………”

A “troll” is someone who follows one poster around the sections, or comments with something that adds nothing to the conversation, when I originally commented in this section it was about my opinion of how Hogan should be number one. YOU are the one who decided to say I was wrong, and that Shawn Michaels was the one whom should be seated atop this list. That adds nothing to the conversation, you could have said “This is why he should be number one” but no, you decided to attempt to insult me, and now you cant take the backlash.

“You cannot debate this topic with facts or even an objective opinion, your last post proved that.”

No, I think it proved the subject, allow me to elaborate on your next quote.

“You think Hogan is the best and are obviously in constant denial over his no – selling of opponents moves. Anyone who has seen even ONE of Hogan’s matches knows he is constantly guilty of no – selling his opponents moves to make himself look good.”

This is an ABSOLUTE FALSEHOOD. I will give examples now, just to prove how wrong you are.

Hogan Vs Andre Wm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpSXE5_dqNI

Hogan is beaten up the entire match and sells like a champ until the end, which is his character.

Hogan vs Ultimate Warrior

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-T0jtelrQ

Hogan put over Warrior here, he didnt have to, He decided he should let Warrior have a run, thinking it was his time, he even hands him the belt after the match, Hogan totally held him down…[sarcasm]

“Why don’t you leave debating to the people who can think out a compelling argument instead of 3 paragraphs all detailing how you’re “Above this nonsense and won’t be replying anymore.”, hmm?”

You have no compelling argument, one of your arguments was about how flips and arm drags were great for business. You are just another smark who doesnt understand wrestling, thinks hes does, and then if someone questions him, or has views other than him goes on rants about how “CENAZ ONLYZ NOZ 4Z MOVEZ” says NWO was a bad stable because it was in WCW and the HBK is the best ever simply because hes your favorite, yea….real compelling…

“You really do personify the stereotypical “Forum troll”. You come on here making rash accusations and then, when proven wrong on the matter, you leave and go off looking for another website to terrorize with your nonsense.”

I have already proven Im not a troll. I never made any rash accusations, unlike yourself who has constantly accused me of being retarded, a child, who attempts and fails to mock me, who cant even think of a good argument, and who makes statements that would out an Ultimate Warrior shoot interview to shame.

And for the record, I dont go to other websites, I just came here because I like comics and wanted to talk about them with some other people interested in them. I then saw a wrestling top 30 list, thought “Hey I love wrestling, Ill give it a look” I then thought “Hmm, I think Hogan should be number one and I shall give reasons as to why” and did so. I figured it would end with that.

Unfortunately you decide to say I am wrong, with no good reasoning or evidence, and then when I try to start a good, fun debate, you begin to insult me, call me names, question my intelligence, tell me I am mentally handicapped, and then continue to post while not researching a damn thing you say and simply assuming you are right, just like every other smark. Get the fuck over yourself.

What a joke.

Yes, indeed you have made one out of yourself.

#31 Peter Rosenberg says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

Ultimate Warrior!??!?!? im sorry that invalidates the list completely…and no stone cold or rocky is insane too…and Bret not top 5

#32 Old School says:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

Good call Nate. I say those 2 face off in a steel cage to determine the winner!

Back to the actual list, it does bring back some memories, but it is extremely limited. It seems to come from a short time period of WWF only, so it shoud not be called “ALL TIME”. The 80s were my favorite time in pro wrestling too, but you have to at least acknowledge the guys in the AWA and NWA/WCW promotions. World Class down in Texas and Mid-South also deserve mentioning.

Fun to debate these sorts of things. My list would be quite different though I was a big Hulkamaniac growing up (so he would be #1 on my list).

Thanks for sparking the debate.

#33 Jesse says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

Hogan was great at getting his ass kicked and then coming back, but the more I think about this, the more I think that it relates more to “match flow” than “Selling”.

Hogan just seemed awkward during some moves (on the receiving end). He sold punches, kicks, and other basic moves really really well however there are a bunch of memories I have of Hogan half-way botching moves. The tombstone, the chokeslam, the rockbottom, the scorpion deathlock, and a few others come to mind. Don’t get me wrong, I still think he’s the greatest of all time, but I think–no, I know, that HBK is much more versatile in the area of selling moves.

Perhaps it has to do with size. Its harder to smoothly execute dynamic maneuvers with the “average” large pro-wrestler; ever see Big Show get Jackknifed in WCW? By nature, middleweights are more agile and thus the number of maneuvers that can be performed on them are greater. of course, you need to be a decent actor to sell moves, but not weighing 320lbs goes a long way towards making things seem smooth.

#34 Furyof5 says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:17 am

Perhaps it has to do with size. Its harder to smoothly execute dynamic maneuvers with the “average” large pro-wrestler;

Well perhaps, It certainly could contribute, but Ill give the biggest reason in a moment.

ever see Big Show get Jackknifed in WCW?

Yea, sad day, because Kevin Nash broke his neck and he was never the same. Big Show was incredibly gifted for his size back then though, before Nash broke his neck there was talk that he was working on doing moonsaults and other moves.

Lots of big men were able to do flips and stuff, but they are rare, Vader could do some crazy stuff, Bam Bam Bigelow could as well, he did moonsaults and other high flying moves. So this isnt the biggest contributing factor to Hogan.

By nature, middleweights are more agile and thus the number of maneuvers that can be performed on them are greater. of course, you need to be a decent actor to sell moves, but not weighing 320lbs goes a long way towards making things seem smooth.

The biggest factor to Hogan not selling as well certain matches are all of the injuries Hogan collected over the years, wrestlers bodies get very banged up over time, and Hogan himself said he would get injured in every match, Hogan has a nature of BSing, but I believe him. Hogan tore his back muscles badly when Andre sandbagged him during the slam. Hes blown out knees, hips are damaged, until recently he said he could shave his whole face without sitting down and then laying on the floor for a half an hour half way through.

He botched selling the chokeslam because he could barely run let alone jump with his knees, he was older as well with his matches with Sting, so his accumulated injuries also played a roll.

Basically his botches came in older age, and those are perfectly acceptable due to his injuries.

#35 John says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

Triple H is the worst wrestler of all time..he has no reason to be in any of these lists..and some of your morons in a box have totally forgotten randy savage

#36 MrLoh says:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

Why isn’t Sting on this list???

#37 David Macphail says:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

Jeez….is that retard Furyof5 still talking? So let me get this straight……..you left me a reply telling me that you weren’t going to leave any more replies. Then you come back two minutes later with a 12 – page essay about how “Hogan iz da bestest.”? What the hell? You MUST have learning difficulties.

Seriously kid, you’re just embarassing yourself now. You have proven yourself to be both a hypocrite and a moron. If you say you’re going to stop replying then maybe you should do that instead of acting like some demented forum troll. Do you really think i give a damn that you typed up another 12 – page report on why “Hogan rooolez!”??? Just because you have nothing better to do with your life than type up pages full of nonsense doesn’t mean people are going to pay any extra attention to you. Get over yourself, idiot.

#38 Bill says:
March 18th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

So glad HHH, Stone Cold, John Cena, The Rock, Edge and Chris Jericho aren’t on this list. Guys like Mr. Perfect and the Hitman have outclassed all the wrestlers of the new generation. Thank you!

#39 David Macphail says:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:43 am

Bill – every wrestler you just mentioned either is or will be in the Hall Of Fame. The wrestelers of this generation have taken the sport mainstream, guys like Mr Perfect and Bret Hart have done nothing for the business compared to what wrestlers like HHH, Stone Cold or The Rock have done (Or in HHH’s case, are still doing) for the business.

You make it sound like you would like to turn the clock back 30 years to the time when just about every wrsetler on the roster was morbidly obese and the most athletic move you would see in the ring was a “Dropkick To The Knee”, yuck. Today’s wrestling is far more advanced and far more watchable and the sport is better off for it.

#40 Ben says:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:43 am

I can understand not including Rock or Steve Austin, and traveling down the “old school” path, but…

Zeus? Surely, you jest. He appeared in what, two main events, and a god-awful movie that made “Santa with Muscles” look like the “Godfather.”

Admittedly, my knowledge of video games is not even remotely close to the writers on this site, but I feel compelled to comment on this piece.

No Junkyard Dog? No King Kong Bundy? Including Zeus on this list is like preferring 10-Yard Fight over Tecmo Super Bowl.

And the Ultimate Warrior? Ugh. He had a smaller repertoire than Hogan, and a gimmick that was borderline psychotic. Hogan had the prayers and the vitamins. What was Warrior about? The “gods?” The “heavens?” He was a cross between an astrologist and a guy handing out pamphlets on the streets in New York City.

Thanks for your time.

http://www.whereisbenrivera.com/tag/wrestling

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