• Top 10 Most Powerful Superheroes of All Time

  

  Written by Zeromage 5,446 Comments
  Last Updated:: May 23, 2008

  Here it is folks, the biggest debate on the whole interweb. Never has there been a more well thought out argument for a completely non-existent thing. Which superhero could beat up which other superhero. Never has a group of people spent more time drawing graphs, doing calculations, making charts, and writing computer programs to prove that the hero they love is in fact the toughest. These people do more literature searches than a graduate student writing their dissertation on literature. One can only imagine what world problems could be solved if comic book nerds would instead focus this same energy on say; poverty, healthcare, the climate, pollution, the economy, childhood obesity, cancer, sudden infant death syndrome, racism, genetic disorders, violence against women, the melting ice caps, sending a man to mars, depression, solving Goldbach’s conjecture, creating a unified field theory, un-raveling the mystery of DNA, figuring out what happened before the big bang, resolving religious tensions in the Middle East, finding peace on Earth, making cleaner cars, sustainable energy, nuclear fission, getting rid of hippies, and the million other things that would make this world a better place to live in.

  So in order to finish this debate once and for all we here at OW have finally finished THE list of the most powerful superheros. This is it folks. As every faithful reader knows that we here at OW are always right, we have proved it in the past. There can no longer be any debate. No more argument required. This list has taken us years to complete, and has threatened to destroy all that is OW. While making this list there was lots arguing, name calling, some shouting, a little bit of snuggling, more shouting, lots of your momma’s, but we finally came up with the definitive list of the most powerful superheroes of all time. We can’t be more clear on that last point, this is it. None of what you are about to read is opinion, it is fact. Next time one of your nerd buddies starts to argue you need only refer to this list, kindly pat him the head a give him one of the problems listed above to argue about. Here’s how we did it. First we excluded all super villains, this is heroes only, next we eliminated all exorbitantly overpowered cosmic beings (Phoenix, Odin, or the Highfather). And finally we ignored all heroes that would be considered ‘normal’ but have similar powers as those listed below. Then we plugged in all the facts and figures into the OW super computer and waited. Exactly 137 days later the answer was spit out. It then took us one year to figure out what that answer meant. Finally its over, these are the most powerful superheroes. Fact.

  10. The Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
  

  Despite coming in at number 10, The Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) is one tough hombre. As a member of the Green Lantern Corps, he wields a power ring that can generate a variety of effects and energy constructs, sustained purely by the ring wearer’s strength of will. The greater the user’s willpower, the more effective the ring. The limits of the power ring’s abilities are never defined, but it has been referred to as “the most powerful weapon in the universe” on more than one occasion. It’s precious. Over the years, the ring has been shown capable of accomplishing almost anything within the imagination of the ring bearer. Often the rings are used to form solid-light constructs, the power and size of which are limited only by the ring-bearer’s willpower. And, if that wasn’t powerful enough, DC recently (in 2006) retconned the ring’s longtime lack of effect on yellow objects, stating that the ring-bearer need only feel fear and overcome it in order to affect yellow objects. With his protective bubbles and mean green energy bursts, the Green Lantern has fought with, and at varying times against, such heavyweights as Superman and Captain Marvel. But he’s still no match for number 9 on our list…

  9. Doctor Strange

  Earth’s Sorcerer Supreme, Doctor Steven Strange, has unparalleled sagicity of the mystic arts, and stands as humanity’s first and last line of defense against all magic-based menaces that threaten our dimension. I think Doc Strange is probably one of the more powerful characters in the Marvel Universe, and light years ahead of any of the crappy sorcerers from DC (although Zatanna is way hotter). Given that he can do pretty much anything that the person who is currently writing him can imagine, he could potentially beat any of the other characters in this list. In fact, he could probably beat some of them by simply wiggling his finger. Of course this assumes that he would enough time to do so. The problem is that most of the other heroes on this list won’t give him even that small amount of time. His lack of super speed, super reaction time, super senses and any sort of super human invulnerability, make Dr. Strange one of the easiest characters to defeat on this list. For this reason alone we put Dr. Strange at #5. If he had unlimited prep time before each fight, he could easily be number one on this list.

  8. Black Bolt
  

  Our seventh most powerful superhero of all time is Black Bolt, the king of the offshoot of humanity known as the inhumans. Black Bolt has often been described as one of the most powerful superheroes in the Marvel universe by other heroes, and for good reason. Through electron gathering and manipulation, Black Bolt can increase any aspect of his physical nature to superhuman levels, including his strength, speed, stamina and durability. In times of great need, he can channel this power into a single devastating punch called “The Master Blow”. He can also harness the electrons for matter transformation; the controlled projection of energy as concussive blasts or quasi-solid particle/electron fiends, broadcasting jamming frequencies, and flight. But Black Bolt’s most salient offensive weapon is his cacophonous voice, as a hypersonic shout that can level an entire city, and his merest whisper has been shown capable of stunning the Hulk. It’s even been suggested that his voice is capable of destroying an entire planet.

  7. The Flash

  People who don’t know a lot about comic books often assume that the Flash can run really fast, but is otherwise a normal guy.  He can turn his opponent into a statue, or phase his hand through his opponent’s head, causing it to explode.  He is also impressively durable for a normal human, and most, though not all, of his impressive feats of durability have been while moving faster than normal. Many times he’s taken hits from Class-100 opponents, various energy blasts, ect. and ranged from quickly recovers to unfazed.  Not only is Flash faster than Pre-CRISIS Kryptonians(and Silver Age Superman was so fast, not only count he travel through time and dimensions through speed, but he nearly broke the barrier between Life And Death and was about to crash into Heaven), but he’ll probably have a few examples of simply phasing through to avoid, as well. And Flash doesn’t need to cause the charge that causes matter to explode every time he vibrates through something.

  6. The Martian Manhunter
  

  The Martian Manhunter’s chief super power is super strength. Super strength and durability. His two powers are super strength, durability and flight. His three powers are super strength, durability, flight and shapeshifting. Amongst his many powers are super strength, durability, flight and shapeshifting… I’ll come in again. The Martian Manhunter is basically the Swiss army knife of Superheroes. Along with all those powers, he has super speed and “Martian” vision, both at levels close to those of Superman himself. He not only can turn invisible but also alter his density to become incredibly strong, tough and ultimately intangible. In addition to his physical powers, J’onn is also a very powerful telepath. He also possesses 9 different senses, though these are ill defined and often forgotten by comic book writers. And if superhuman physical strength and mental powers aren’t enough, J’onn also has the ability to regenerate. In the past he’s even regenerated his entire body from only his severed hand.

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1. #1 Mark Anthony says:
   March 12th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

   And before you say he tore wolf boy in half in a parallel dimension, I already know it. This person didn’t , but of course, Hulk has whooped him anyway. I’m just saying, the fight has never happened, so you can’t be sure. Just like in boxing – 1 fighter can be pretty much,indistructable and loose a fight to someone, that a fighter he has already beaten loss to.
2. #2 Mark Anthony says:
   March 12th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

   In fairness, this was offered on the other side. Doomsday without being removed from battlefield, will beat just about anyone. He is the ultimate fighter. The only reason Supes beat him was by throwing him into another dimension that destroys everything inside it. But Supes wouldn’t have been able to beat him 1 on 1. And neither would Hulk. I think EVENTUALLY, Hulk would become something so terrifying, that he might beat Doomsday somehow, but I don’t see it. Doomsday cannot die by normal means ( You know, without getting convieniently inserted into a universal trash can), and Hulk isn’t smart enough to throw him into something like that. Doomsday would eventually beat Hulk senseless, allowing Banner to take shape and get his arse kicked even more.
3. #3 Mark Anthony says:
   March 12th, 2010 at 1:01 am

   This was an interesting comment, but leaves you with uncertainties, as I said before, the only way to know, is for them to get it on to the death. Even to try and figure it out, just speaking, you will have to look at a lot of variables. Anyway here it is … Hulk does get stronger as he gets angrier, and theoretically can achieve a strength higher than Superman’s maximum. However, Superman has a MUCH higher base strength than Hulk does, and could beat him if he he gets in enough offense before Hulk can really get pissed off. Heat vision and ice breath would have virtually no effect on the Hulk as he is 99% immune to temperature changes, and neither would hauling him into the upper atmosphere or outer space since Hulk could hold his breath just as long as Superman, if not longer. Superman’s one main advantage would be speed, however, while Hulk doesn’t have extremely high speed, he does have unbelievable reflexes, and is fast enough to follow the movements of Quicksilver, who can move at the speed of sound, so that advantage wouldn’t be enough. However, all of this is assuming that Hulk is fighting Post-Crisis Superman (a fairly even match), not ridiculously powerful Pre-Crisis Superman.
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4. #4 NORMAL says:
   March 12th, 2010 at 1:06 am

   You dont even know who my favourtie characters are, how can you know that superman can beat them?

   Now whos the idiot.

   Btw can you please explain how any of my comments display stupidity? I’d quite like to know. Thanks.
5. #5 NORMAL says:
   March 12th, 2010 at 1:14 am

   BTW i dont really have favourites, though Hals Green Lantern is one o my favourites.

   LOl he pwned Supes a couple of times
6. #6 NORMAL says:
   March 12th, 2010 at 1:18 am

   And one more thing, i hope Spider-Man chokes on a dick, my least favourite superhero of all. He’s a penis.
7. #7 Mark Anthony says:
   March 12th, 2010 at 1:23 am

   Another thought I had was, what if superman was to fight, not the unthinking Hulk but rather, the Dr. Banner – hulk who knows supermans weakness and Is a genius. Everyone always assumes the hulk would need his muscles only to win, but if you put some brains behind that muscle what would happen? Honestly what made me come to this conclusion was the episode of the justice league, where batman kept records of all his friends weaknesses in case of emergency. Someone said hulk would not be smart enough to handle dooms day, this would change that as well. First Appearance:The Incredible Hulk #377

   Identity Basis: This is the idealized version of Bruce where he has all the strength of the Savage Hulk and the intelligence of Bruce Banner but none of the emotional baggage, awkwardness or shyness.

   Strength: This incarnation can lift over 100 tons.

   Intelligence: Genius

   Height: 7 feet 6 inches

   Weight: 1,150 lbs

   Eyes: Green

   Hair: Green

   Transformation: This version does not transform
8. #8 Mark Anthony says:
   March 12th, 2010 at 2:25 am

   Who knows what the effects of the other kryptonites are on superman? Superman is most vulnerable to green Kryptonite, mineral debris from Krypton transformed into radioactive material by the forces that destroyed the planet. Exposure to green Kryptonite radiation nullifies Superman’s powers and immobilizes him with pain and nausea; prolonged exposure will eventually kill him. The only mineral on Earth that can protect him from Kryptonite is lead, which blocks the radiation. Lead is also the only known substance that Superman cannot see through with his x-ray vision. Kryptonite was first introduced to the public in 1943 as a plot device to allow the radio serial voice actor, Bud Collyer, to take some time off.[68] Although green Kryptonite is the most commonly seen form writers have introduced other forms over the years: such as red, gold, blue, white, and black, each with its own effect.
9. #9 Delta says:
   March 12th, 2010 at 5:19 am

   Mark…..

   I actually don’t dislike Hulk, I do like the character. He’s just rather overrated. And people think he’s superior to Doomsday just because Doomsday’s a Hulk clone. I don’t recall Superman ever saying Hulk was the strongest, or stating he was surprised by Hulk’s speed, although I haven’t read the Hulk/Superman crossover from I think the 90’s. Problem with that though is I believe the ELSEWORLDS label was on it, so it’s not in continuity. And it’s not just an opinion to say that Superman can beat Hulk. He has. Some may complain it was fan-voted, but the DC VERSUS MARVEL crossover was in continuity, and Superman beat Hulk down pretty badly.

   Out of the Superman/Hulk fights I’m aware of, most of them have had Superman win. The ELSEWORLDS crossover is the only one I’m aware of that wasn’t a conclusive win. Of course, the only other fight the two have had than the 90’s ELSEWORLDS and DC VERSUS MARVEL was a Pre-CRISIS Superman, so it’s not in continuity either, at least for the current Superman. But it certainly didn’t leave anything up in the air. Hulk did knock Superman pretty high into the air, but Superman came right back. And stated that when he’s prepared, nothing could move him. And he let Hulk pound away all Hulk wanted, and Superman thought something like, “Hopefully he’ll just tire-out and not get hurt.” And while most of the Thor/Hulk fights have been inconclusive, Thor’s gotten the majority of wins between the two.

   And Hulk’s had limbs broken before, it’s just a bit rare.

   As to Doomsday having been beaten by Superman, the first time they fought Doomsday had a clear physical advantage against Superman, until Superman went all-out. Every time after this, except for SUPERMAN #175, Superman has had to use a plan to beat Doomsday. When they first fought after they both died and came back, Doomsday had a much larger physical advantage over Superman. And Superman was more powerful than he was after his death, due to him being repowered by “Kryptonite X.” In SUPERMAN/DOOMSDAY: HUNTER/PREY, Superman finally beat Doomsday due to stranding Doomsday at the end of time. Then when Brainiac saved Doomsday and possessed him during SUPERMAN: THE DOOMSDAY WARS, Superman had to out-smart Brainiac to force Brainiac out of Doomsday’s body, then find a way to contain Doomsday. He put Doomsday in a teleportation machine on the Moon, and had it programed to constantly transport Doomsday so he wasn’t more than 25% solidified. Superman was able to give Doomsday a decent fight hand-to-hand before throwing him in the teleporters, but he showed he couldn’t have beaten Doomsday. Then in SUPERMAN #175, a plot-device messed with Doomsday’s confidence and ability to fight. Superman owned Hulk quite a bit in their one in-continuity fight I’m aware of.

   Though on what the guy said, a problem with Hulk getting strong enough to match or exceed Doomsday, is the base strength. Few disagree that Superman is significantly stronger than Hulk’s base strength. Doomsday from HUNTER/PREY through DOOMSDAY WARS had an even greater strength advantage over Superman. And Superman already had been powered-up. When Superman was fighting Cyborg-Superman after returning from his death, he was quite weak. His powers were almost gone. He was stronger and way more durable than a normal human(even though he had no chance of stopping Mongul from beating him due to the strength difference, Mongul could not even incapacitate Superman, and Mongul was trying to kill Superman), but he was nowhere near his normal levels during the time. He couldn’t even fly. Cyborg-Superman attempted to kill him with Kryptonite, the powdered Kryptonite that was powering that Engine City. Eradicator jumped in front of Superman and filtered it, and altered it so it not only repowered Superman, but it pushed him beyond his normal levels. The first hint was what he did to Cyborg-Superman. But he was really showing to be more powerful than previously when he faced Lobo and Lobo’s employers in SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL #30. While I don’t think Lobo ever actually beat Superman in a fight(though their first fight, Lobo was beating Superman pretty badly before Superman out-smarted him, I think. Though Superman was able to knock-out both Lobo and Lar-Gand in I think his second fight with Lobo, by smashing their heads together), he had never done so well against Lobo as he did until MAN OF STEEL #30. Superman was brawling with him VERY evenly, and then when deciding to quickly end the fight, he knocked Lobo with an upper-cut so powerful, that not only was Lobo flying to orbit, but Lobo was crashing THROUGH a massive alien space craft. Superman also stated he must have become more powerful, his knuckles weren’t even sore. Then Superman flies to stop Lobo’s employers, and an energy blast forces the air Superman was holding in his lungs out. At first he worried, but then he realized he was fine, even without any air in his lungs. When a Eclipso-possessed Lar-Gand knocked the air out of him on the Moon, Superman was still able to win, but was losing consciousness. But this time, Superman wasn’t bothered in the slightest with the air knocked-out in space. He also realized how he easily stopped the momentum, then threw a space ship he stated was the size of a small moon. He questioned whether he’d even be able to do this before he died, let alone with the ease he did here. And Doomsday was still a good deal physically more powerful than Superman, despite the power-up.

   And Doomsday also has a dynamic strength that increases. So, Hulk has this huge gap to reach, and Doomsday’s strength still increases. So even if Hulk’s strength increases at a faster rate, it’ll be like Hulk’s taking two steps forward, then one step back. And has a long road to travel, even if it’s not increasing in length. Not only that, but Doomsday can adapt new powers to deal with the situation. He could develop an even faster dynamic strength, so his strength increases at a greater rate than Hulk’s. He could develop energy powers to mess with Hulk’s gamma radiation, weakening or even depowering Hulk. Or he could develop even pheromones to emit to calm Hulk down. Doomsday is also faster than Hulk.

   Another issue is, Doomsday died again. Whenever something does kill Doomsday, when he comes back from the dead, he’s evolved to overcome what’s killed him. That’s why he had an even bigger strength advantage over Superman in HUNTER/PREY, despite Superman’s power-up. And how did Doomsday die this time? He got jumped by like two dozen Kryptonians and beaten to death. So if Doomsday had a significant strength advantage over a baseline Hulk then, just think of how much greater his strength will be now. One wonders if Superman will even be powerful enough to at least do decently against Doomsday like he was able to in HUNTER/PREY and DOOMSDAY WARS.

   On the comment you copied and pasted…..

   Hulk can theoretically get stronger than Superman, but it’s unlikely unless there’s abnormal circumstances before-hand. Incredibly unlikely. Superman’s strength advantage is so far above, that it’d be hard for Hulk to get to there quick enough to be a threat. The reality is, Superman actually has the more impressive strength feats over Hulk.

   Heat Vision and “ice breath” will be useful. Even if Hulk can break-out of the ice, he’s unlikely to break-out of it quick enough that it won’t be useful. It’s restrained Wonder Woman, Darkseid, Bizarror and more, long enough to be useful.

   Heat Vision can really fuck-up Hulk, if he chooses to. It’s cauterized holes in the fabric of reality. It can reach temperatures greater than a star. It’s knocked-out people comparable in durability to Hulk, amongst other examples.

   Hauling Hulk into space would work. Hulk can’t fly. So what’s Hulk going to do? It’d be comparable to one being in the water attacked by a shark. You can fight back, but the shark is much more maneuverable. Plus, Superman can just strand him there. That’d be a win. Oh and Superman might very well not even need to breath at this point.

   And Hulk’s reflexes aren’t as high as the guy claimed. Quicksilver is nothing compared to Superman’s. For example, when Superman was far, far weaker and slower than he is now, he flew around the Earth in seconds. That’s well over 1,000 times lightspeed. A more recent example, Superman was running at over 2,000 miles per-SECOND. The speed of sound is 770 miles per-HOUR. If it were “only” 2,000 miles per-second, this would be well over 9,000 times the speed of sound. If we were to use a conservative 2,200 miles per-second, this would be well over 10,000 times the speed of sound. And Superman’s also demonstrated combat speed and reflexes several times that of lightspeed. He blocked/deflected multiple radiation beams, so light, so quickly it looked like he was blocking/deflecting them all simultaneously.

   So to compare Hulk being able to hit Quicksilver as saying he can keep-up with Superman’s speed is pure ignorance. Not to mention I’ve seen Quicksilver speed-blitz Hulk, and it took forever for Hulk to finally hit Quicksilver. If Quicksilver could hit hard enough to hurt Hulk, Quicksilver would have beaten the shit out of Hulk. Superman is not only far, far faster than Quicksilver, but can hit more than hard enough to hurt Hulk.

   And on Superman VS Professor Hulk, Superman already won. When a lot weaker than he is now. On Professor Hulk using Kryptonite, it won’t work. First-off, where and how is he going to get it? Second, Superman’s quite resistant to Kryptonite now. For one, he took Kryptonite energy beams that killed another Kryptonian. After being worn from days of fighting/being tortured, and literally put on his hands and knees in Kryptonite, he took a nuclear explosion that destroyed most of an island…..and shrugged it off. More recently, while both under a red sun AND exposed to most of the Kryptonite in the Universe, he wasn’t even stunned by a punch from Superboy Prime. Superboy Prime is so strong, he literally altered history in the DC Universe when punching his way out of another dimension. He’s pretty much equal to the Pre-CRISIS Silver Age Superman/Superboy, who could literally juggle planets and tow a galaxy. So I doubt Professor Hulk would win with a little Kryptonite.

   And on the different effects of Kryptonite, most of those Kryptonites were Pre-CRISIS.

   Green Kryptonite doesn’t have the effect it used to, but it’s radiation is essentially poisonous to Kryptonians. It also starts to displace their solar energy reserves, how it weakens them. Kryptonians absorb this like they do solar energy, as well as metabolize it, so that’s why it effects them much quicker than humans. It’d be similar to you or me drinking RAID sprayed into a cup. It does effect humans over time, Lex Luthor had gotten cancer from it due to wearing a Kryptonite ring for years, and his hand had to be amputated. Superman’s not effected like others, whether this is due to building-up a resistance to it through exposure over the years, or because of his difference from other Kryptonians(he was called the “healthiest baby ever born on Krypton, and is actually literally descends from the Kryptonian sun god Rao) is unclear, but it has comparatively little effect on him now.

   Red Kryptonite had random effects Pre-CRISIS. It’d made him giant I think once, made him mutant looking another time. It had random effects every single time. Post-CRISIS the first showing was created by Mister Mxyzptlk. It actually wasn’t “real.” It took away Superman’s powers, but only because he didn’t know what it was. Mxy made it so if Superman found-out, or maybe it was if someone other than the guy who used it found-out, that it’d have no effect on Superman. I don’t recall the exact details. The first time it was shown with ACTUAL Kryptonite after CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, it was created by Batman experimenting on a chunk of green Kryptonite, and it’s half-life was altered, changing it’s color. Ra’s al Ghul got a hold of it, and the effects it’d have were unknown. It had made Superman’s skin transparent and actually increased Superman’s powers.

   Gold Kryptonite I believe was only Pre-CRISIS, and it permanently removed a Kryptonian’s powers.

   I think blue Kryptonite only effected Bizarro. And was similar to the effects green Kryptonite had done to normal Kryptonians. But I’m not sure.

   I think white Kryptonite did the same thing to Bizarro that gold Kryptonite did to Superman Pre-CRISIS.

   I don’t know about black Kryptonite, I can’t recall having even heard about it before.

   There was also crystal Kryptonite, I think, but I don’t know what it did. Many of the Kryptonites you mentioned existed in the Pocketverse, the miniature universe Time Trapper created so there’d still be a Superboy to have inspired the Legion Of Super-Heroes. When John Byrne had revamped Superman, he changed him from having ever been Superboy. This was bad for the Legion Of Super-Heroes, since Superboy had been their inspiration to form. So to fix this problem, John Byrne had Time Trapper create a pocket universe where Superboy was around, and it was very much like the Silver Age. Kryptonians showed strength and over-all power comparable to Pre-CRISIS, multiple versions of Kryptonite, and Superboy had Krypto. Though the Kryptonite from the Pocketverse had no effect on Superman. He saw that their composition, at least for green Kryptonite, was the same as his, but emitted an entirely different radiation.
10. #10 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 5:23 am

    NORMAL…..

    You said one of the reasons you don’t like Superman is because he beats just about everybody. What else is one supposed to think? Seems like you just don’t want to look as stupid as you are.

    So as to who’s the idiot now, you are.

    And most of your comments have been stupid, including the whole CPU tough bitching you’ve done. Why the fuck would you even bother? You had nothing to do with it before-hand, and you just got insults lobbed at you due to you even bringing it up and insulting me. So of course you’re a dip-shit moron.

    And the times I’ve seen people bring-up Superman being beat by Hal Jordan, it appeared to be Pre-CRISIS. Not to mention that Superman’s shown to be quite superior to several other Green Lanterns, as well as Guy Gardner with Sinestro’s Power Ring.
11. #11 NORMAL says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Im sorry, but your insults on Mark were by far stupider than anything ive said, thats why i felt compelled to comment. And your insults are constantly about my intelligence, which you have no idea of. I could be a genius, i could be an idiot, though the Bachelor course im currently completing doesnt accept idiots.

    I’d quite like it if we stopped all this shit now, as it is by far the most childish thing ive engaged in. Yes, I am aware taht ive sad childish things too, but come on.

    As for the Green Lantern thing, you gotta admit, hes pretty cool, even if superman could beat him. By the way, im more of a mravel guy, can you fill me in as to wether there has been a fight inwhich superman has engaged in someone as strong/fast/super as him?
12. #12 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    No NORMAL, you can’t be that bright to have started the shit you did. I said far smarter things when talking shit than you’ve done in your entire time here. And sure, you’re taking a course you need to be bright for. Like I’m buying that. Especially since that really, REALLY fucks-up your entire argument to claim I’m “CPU tough.” Since by your logic, that means you have nowhere to be talking.

    As to people Superman’s faced that’re strong/fast/ect. as him, Captain Marvel’s generally considered Superman’s equal in strength, durability and speed, though several showings have put Superman above Marvel. Superman’s also faced multiple Kryptonians, though he’s shown to be above them, at least due to experience.

    He has though faced Pocketverse Superboy, Quex-Ul(Kryptonians from the Pocketverse were quite comparable to Pre-CRISIS), faced Kal-L Superman(not as powerful as Silver Age Pre-CRISIS Superman, but close), KINGDOM COME Superman(who did show to be physically stronger than Superman), and Superboy Prime. He’s generally shown to do well even against them. His fight with Kal-L Superman literally shattered the boundaries of space/time.
13. #13 NORMAL says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    *Sighs* i tried to finish the debate over my intellegnce, but ala, to no avail. Oh well.

    I can imagine why that battle would shatter the boundaries of space and time, Superman being up against someone as strong etc as he. Wow.

    That would be brutal.
14. #14 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    One of the issues that showed the fight actually had the battle destroy Earth-2 simply from the force of the impact of their blows on each-other…..while they were in orbit ABOVE Earth-2.
15. #15 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    As a feat, it’s one of the few Durability/Endurance type feats I place in multiple sub-categories. For both Tremendous Forces/Impacts and Planet-Busting Force, for my feats list for Superman.

    He’s got so many damn feats that I placed sub-categories inside the categories. I normally don’t place them in multiple sub-categories, as I feel it’d just be padding his stats, but there are some exceptions. Like that one. Or a couple of nuke-equivalent feats also fall under Molecular/Atomic/Sub-Atomic Disintegration/Manipulation attacks.
16. #16 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Oh, and if you think an all-out fight with Kal-L would be brutal NORMAL, Superman also has an example of shrugging off a punch from Superboy Prime, who’s much stronger than the Superman we all-know(was able to fight-off Superman, KINGDOM COME Superman and Earth-2 Kal-L Superman, both whom have often been shown to be stronger than the main-stream Kal-El Superman, at once, as well as having altered history as a consequence of him punching his way out of another dimension), while he was not only under a red sun, but surrounded by most of the universe’s Kryptonite, right by where Krypton exploded. And the Kryptonite wasn’t weakening Superboy Prime. Kryptonite only effects Kryptonians from it’s same universe. So since Superboy Prime is from the Earth-Prime Universe, and his Krypton never exploded(it spun off into Krypton’s sun Rao), there’s actually no Kryptonite that effects him. Though Element Lad did seem to be able to make some that effected him, but he’s been shown to be a very powerful matter transmuter.
17. #17 NORMAL says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Wow at that. Just wow.

    How the fuck is there still a universe in the DC comic world.
18. #18 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Because Superboy Prime has time-altering, dimensional barrier-breaking punches? Chuck Norris said he can’t out-right destroy it. And what Chuck Norris says, goes.
19. #19 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    You really know your stuff Delta, I know, I’m not as up in the comic book realm as you are. I probably kept up with the hulk till I was 19 0r 20 and superman, till about 16 or 17. other then that, I picked up a comic here and there. My top fav’s are #1 as if I need to tell you that one, The Hulk, #2 Superman, #3Thanos, #4 Venom, honestly I wish he could be with spiderman all the time and be good, instead of evil. #5 Darkseid, and this little secret I have told no 1 since 5th grade, but #6 He Man, and last but not least #7 Galactus, now out of these who would make the best combo? and give doomsday the fight of his life.
20. #20 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    lol I loved He-Man as a kid and would watch the cartoons again now, or a new series if given a chance, but I wouldn’t consider him a comicbook character.

    I know there have been some comics made licensed from MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE, but do you consider Grissom from CSI a comic character? They’ve got a good number of CSI comics.
21. #21 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Like this statement from above says, I’ll post it in a minute, Some things that happen to our heroes, is because of bad writers. I hate when new people get a hold of the Hulk or any of my favorites, and mess with them and their character. BTW – who can tell me the best combo out of my favorites – to give Doomsday, the fight of his life. Me personally, I know The Hulk will have to be in it, Superman’s a given, Thanos and Darkseid are Immortal and very powerful, and last but not least Galactus eats planets. Oh yeah, here’s the post I was talking about … If World War Hulk showed us anything, its just how powerful the Hulk is. Never mind the fact that in Hulk #470, he was choked out by an ordinary python, or that he was once injured by Wolverine’s bone claws. I attribute that to poor writing. At his best, the Hulk is a 7-foot, one-ton green behemoth with near-unlimited strength, rapid tissue-regenerative powers and nigh-inexhaustible stamina. He is highly resistant to physical, as well as psychic attacks. He’s been shown to be immune to temperature extremes, diseases, and poisons. His powerful legs allow him to leap into Earth’s upper atmosphere, or even across continents, and when injured he can heal from almost any wound, inherently embodying the most ubiquitous panacea. He has gone toe-to toe with almost all of Marvel’s elite heroes and villains, and has usually come out on top. All of his powers depend on how mad he is, and at his maddest, his footsteps are enough to shake the entire Eastern Seaboard, and his punches capable of shattering small planets.
22. #22 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    And if I could add he man to the mix, what would you give my team then, Delta?
23. #23 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Mangog seems like me might be the best for Doomsday out of similar characters, but with how powerful Doomsday’s likely to be after he resurrects from his latest death. I mean considering how much more powerful he became after just being killed by Superman…..now killed by tons of Kryptonians…..wow.
24. #24 Sammy says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Don’t Judge A Comic By It’s Cover

    I’ve tried my best to stay out of this. However I can no longer set by and say nothing. ” but your insults on Mark were by far stupider than anything ive said.” If you are going to call someone out on their intelligence the least you could is make sure your rebuttal is grammatically correct. You see what you should’ve said was “but your insults on Mark were by far MORE STUPID than anything I’ve said.” That would’ve given your whole “I’m intelligent” argument a little more validity because THAT would’ve been the grammatically correct way of saying it. Anyway, that’s just my two cents.

    As far as the whole “CPU tough” thing goes, well I think we’ve all displayed some “CPU toughness” from time to time. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the person doing it can’t fight. I myself am a BJJ brown belt, and a purple belt in Jit Kun Do. I have also boxed for years, and was an undefeated wrestler in high school, two time state champ thank you very much haha. That being said there have been times when someone pisses me off and I display some “CPU toughness.” It happens to the best of us, and like I said doesn’t necessarily mean that the person displaying the “CPU toughness” can’t fight. I guess what I’m trying to say is Don’t Judge A Comic By It’s Cover…..see how I looped back around haha.
25. #25 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    This is my 6 comic hero picks – #1-War Hulk -#2-Thanos-#3-superman-prime -#4-Darkseid-#5-Amazo-#6- Loki . I think this would make one heck of a superhero, but lets see who you would pair up against him.
26. #26 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Sammy…..

    I thought it was spelled “Jeet Kune Do.” Of course it being transferred to English characters from Chinese characters, there’s probably multiple ways of spelling it, and still correctly spelling it. Like the case with a lot of words spelled in English coming from languages with alphabets completely different from English letters.

    Mark…..

    Superman Prime is so above the rest in power that he makes the others redundant. Superman One Million was so ridiculously powerful that, even when he was almost powerless by his standards, he was still able to literally able to punch from the late 20th century, to the 853rd century. And Superman Prime was much more powerful than Superman One Million, even when Superman One Million was at full power.
27. #27 Alberto says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    I just got the pictures of the hulk “containing a black hole” in defenders vol.3 four against the gods

    This is the most ridiculous claim about the power of the Hulk.

    The so called Black hole is not a BLACK HOLE, is a “space maelstorm” if there is such a thing.

    The whole just appeared out of nowhere, of course they were on the realm on the nameless one.

    There was no star colapsing to create a black hole

    The so called “black hole” created a pull force “so strong” that it wasn’t even sucking the board of the Silver Surfer and Namor was “swiming” against the force of the maelstorm. Dr Strange was so close to this “black hole” that the “gravitational pull” did not destroy his body!!!

    Please GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!! this is NOT A BLACK HOLE. Is just another missunderstanding like Thor piercing the armor of a celestial.

    I can say now for sure

    NO ONE HAS EVER CONTAINED THE GRAVITATIONAL PULL OF A BLACK HOLE WITH A SINGLE HAND, BUT SUPERMAN.
    Silver Surfer has scaped from black holes, but this is a feat of speed not strength and is in NO WAY as incredible as containing the gravitational pull of a black hole with one hand.

    For all those saying that Thor is Stronger than Superman, please google “force of gravitational pull of a black hole” and then you will finally understand; that in the strength department, Superman outclass Thor, BY FAR

    Here are the links:

    http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/4/l_b6aa8d9703cf40e78e72e11949112191.jpg

    http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/2/l_8cfb1e9542e64fa78d8c981b0649a70d.jpg
28. #28 dragon09 says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Supes is great but overrated created with too many weakness has a champion heart and mind which makes him great if not for those weakness he would be champion of the Universe… hulk is also overrated he could never stand up to a thinking and intelligent foe with power equalling his… here are the heavy weights that mean business Thor, Thanos, Dr.Strange, Superman, Silver Surfer, Prof. X., Black Bolt, Green Lantern, Hulk, Martian Manhunter
29. #29 dragon09 says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 2:29 am

    to all hulk fans you might not notice but when hulk comes up against likes of Thor, Silver Surfer even in the cross overs Superman they know they are fighting against David Banner a human that is caught up … these heroes tend to hold back even in the dvd movies you can see this so whether its green, gray, red, orange or plaid Hulk he dosn’t realize these titans have powers and abilities they are not using like sending hulk to another dimesion, taking him to deep space, breaking down or changing his molecular cohension etc,etc,etc
30. #30 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Mark…..

    Superman Prime is so above the rest in power that he makes the others redundant.] This is my thinking on this matter, What superman does not have is Immortality, right? Loki is a god, who is Immortal,thus giving, Immortality to superman along with his other abilities. Thanos also is in the god class and superman isn’t, to my knowledge superman can still be killed, but thanos can’t die by any means and has powers that supes don’t. Darkseids powers are just cool, and if being mixed in with the others will make those powers as strong as supermanprimes, that’s just cake. Amazo can take any ones powers so that brings it’s own benefits. And The Hulk has No Limit to his strength, so though superman may start way above, The hulk still brings the ability to go beyond any ones strength. Mix all these abilities and powers together and as powerful as superman prime is, I’m asking everyone, is he not better off than he started? And I think it’s just a matter of time, before the writers of the Hulk address this base strength issue, either they will give him a far higher one, or make him able to tap into his critical strength faster, this can be done in many ways.
31. #31 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    to all hulk fans you might not notice but when hulk comes up against likes of Thor, Silver Surfer even in the cross overs Superman they know they are fighting against David Banner a human that is caught up] Even if they were at first,trying not to hurt Banner, that would be a risk they would be taking at their own peril, as they know very well, the longer the fight, the stronger the hulk. Another thing that would have to be taken into consideration is which Hulk, they are fighting. Red Hulk can take power from people as he did surfer, Gamma is the easiest power for him to take but he is not Limited to it by any means. Thor took hulk, far away so they could really get it on, and got his butt handed to him. and as Marvel stated, their battle in the movies are accurate with the comics they are based on. As far as Hulk being overrated, he will always be classified with the most mighty of superheroes, and not for having any trinkets or gadgets, or even flashy powers, but brute strength alone. There’s one for old school, pure butt kicking ability, that’s what Hulk represents.
32. #32 Sammy says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    When I was being taught it my teacher always spelled it Jit, but JEET would be how that was pronounced. The I makes a long E sound kind of like in spanish I think. Anyway I could be wrong. I speak spanish, but I don’t speak chinese. So I know I is “e” in spanish, but I couldn’t really say in chinese.
33. #33 Alberto says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Well, at least I debunk the crappy theories of hulk resisting the gravitational pull of a “black hole” and Thor lifting the Odin’s sword feat.

    Nobody replied to them, so I guess We agree.

    1.- Hulk has Never lifted a black hole

    2.- The Odin’s sword can be lifted and tosed by characters with above super human strength. So is not a UNIQUE feat of Thor.

    3.- Thor pierced the armor of a celestial, because he did it with a weapon created with that purpose.

    4.- Superman contained in a single hand a mini black hole wich had “infinite” gravitational pull.

    FACTS, FACTS, FACTS Batman style
34. #34 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    [1.- Hulk has Never lifted a black hole] Alberto, I told you, I never heard of that feat being done by Hulk. Who said that anyway?
35. #35 dragon09 says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    listen up hulkaholics hulk has a strength limit which are on the level with the other titans how many times has he gone way out to kill Thor,Supes,SS and other heavy weights to no avail Thor has faught him to a standstill at times you’re at your greatest rage when someone is holding you right hulk is always crying kill and smash i am the strongest but they take hulk best every time to help him out … dont get me wrong hulk is powerful and in the top 6 or 7 but he aint number 1.
36. #36 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Alberto…..

    If it was mystically or technologically created, it could have come out of nowhere without a star needing to be collapsed. But if Namor was able to resist it’s pull(not convinced on Doctor Strange, he can put-up spells for protection), it does seem quite doubtful it’s a black hole.

    And I wonder if Hulk’s ever been inside a black hole.
37. #37 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Savage Hulk

    First Appearance: The Incredible Hulk #2

    Identity Basis: This incarnation represents the innocent and trusting child personality.

    Height: 7-8 feet

    Weight: 1,040-1,400 lbs

    Eyes: Green

    Hair: Green

    Strength: This incarnation can lift approximately 100 tons as a minimum. This incarnation represents the epitome of the “madder he gets, the stronger he gets” and thus is for all practical purposes has no limit to the strength he can reach.

    Intelligence: Child-level

    Transformation: This incarnation would change during times of anger or distress and when revert back to the Bruce Banner persona after calming down.

    Classic Pictures

    Comments/Information: This is the most well known of the Hulk incarnations. He has been predominant for the life of the Hulk. He had a limited speech ability, refering to himself in the third-person and was known to say “Hulk smash” a lot of the time.
38. #38 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#62Eusx/www.bamkapow.com/the-incredible-hulk-s-most-amazing-feats-1399-p.html/topic:Comic%20Books Cool Hulk pics
39. #39 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Mark…..

    Superman does have a form of immortality, in the sense of at least living a really, really long time if you don’t get killed. Unknown if he can’t die of old age or not, but he at least lives a REAAAAAAALLLLLLLLY LOOOOOOOOONG time. Once when he went to another dimension, where time flowed differently, he participated in a war that lasted a thousand years. Recently a potential future had him, as well as Doomsday and multiple other Supermans from alternate dimensions, participate in a battle that lasted a century. Then there’s in DC ONE MILLION, where Superman finds-out he’ll become Superman Prime and is still alive in the 853rd century.

    And Loki, Thor and the other Asguardians aren’t immortal in the sense of they can’t die from old age. They can live extremely long lives, Thor’s at least thousands of years old and looks like he’s in his mid-30’s. So the immortality won’t contribute to Superman Prime, and I don’t think any of his other abilities would add much, if anything.

    Superman can be killed, but it’s quite difficult to accomplish it. Superman Prime should be even harder, I think he spent at least 200 CENTURIES, not years, inside the Super-Sun he created. I don’t know if Thanos still has the Death rejecting him thing going on, but I don’t see it contributing enough. I believe I changed your mind on Green Lantern. Superman Prime has a Green Lantern Power Ring, and his will is probably more powerful than any other Green Lantern could hope for. So if a regular Green Lantern can do things like that, imagine what someone can do who’s will is powerful enough to overcome being turned into a demon by the spell of a Skyfather-level demon. A Green Lantern Power Ring can do various things like energy projection/manipulation from pretty much any type of conventional energy(heat, visible light, radiation, concussive force, electricity, ect.), effect both space and time, manipulate matter, ect. So he can do anything Thanos can do, and more, with a Power Ring.

    Darkseid’s Omega Beams can do a few things that would be useful(Omega Effect, teleporting through space/time), but I don’t think it’d be enough. I’d still find his contributions redundant.

    Amazo’s abilities, to my knowledge, haven’t absorbed beings half as powerful as Superman Prime. And I don’t think what new abilities he would would be useful. Current Superman is much more versatile than people are aware of, being able to use his speed to become invisible or intangible, Torquasm Vo, and other things. So add that with the far greater raw power of Superman Prime, and a Power Ring, and I don’t see Amazo doing much. Especially since he tends to only gain the powers of JLA members. Amazo was once defeated by Atom’s plan. He told Superman to disban the JLA. With no JLA, Amazo had no powers, or reason to be active, and he simply turned off.

    Hulk theoretically has no limit, but current Superman already has him beat on strength feats. Let alone Superman Prime. Hulk actually is limited. The more rage-prone incarnations have reached extremely high levels of strength, but plateau. But they were also amongst the stupidest of Hulk’s, often having no emotion or being able to comprehend anything but attacking. But the whole no theoretical limits means nothing with this level of strength. Especially since Superman Prime can use his Power Ring to amp his strength/striking power.

    As to Hulk’s base strength, it varies on incarnation. Professor Hulk had a much higher base strength than Savage Hulk, though didn’t increase his strength as fast, and if he got angry to a certain point, would turn into Bruce Banner with Hulk’s mind/personality. Maestro was a jaded, evil Professor Hulk with I think three times the strength and twice the durability and speed of Professor Hulk. And had more anger to deal with. War-Hulk had an insane level of strength, I think he could get stronger, and he had other abilities. I’m not sure if he stopped Juggernaut on pure strength, or used other abilities to work with his strength. He also had certain energy abilities. For those who don’t know, all three of you serious comic fans, he was Hulk, I think the Professor Hulk, amped by Celestial tech by Apocalypse. I think it was he could draw energy from a pocket dimension to power his enhancements. Mr. Fixit was as strong as a calm Savage Hulk, and his strength barely increased compared to Savage or even Professor Hulk, and was much less durable normally, though his healing factor was insane and on average higher than Savage or Professor. There’s other incarnations as well, but these are the basic ones plus War-Hulk, who had like I think 3 appearances.

    Hulk getting stronger as the fight goes on has been inconsistent, there have been times where he’s gotten much more enraged to little effect. It does depend partially on the incarnation, though.

    Red Hulk though should not be considered as a version of the Hulk. He’s as much an incarnation of the Hulk as She-Hulk, Abomination or Leader are. If it’s not Bruce Banner, or comes from Bruce Banner, it’s not the Hulk people think of. He also has different abilities. Him taking power though depends on who. Silver Surfer’s powers come from energy, that’s quite different from Thor. You mentioned Rulk winning with some plot devices, but left-out later Thor beat the shit out of Rulk before the fight was interrupted.

    And I would not consider HULK VS to be accurate, I’ve never even heard of these two fighting in Asguard. They did fight in Hel once, but Thor won that fight.

    And as to Alberto’s statement that Hulk never physically dealt with a black hole, on here and other articles, people make a deal that Superman needed help with the black hole he dealt with and Hulk didn’t. They’re though quite ignorant that Superman was containing the black hole in his hand on his own, the help from Green Lantern came with keeping it contained so it could be thrown into a wormhole, and not devastate the solar system. Alberto finally found the issue people say Hulk closed a black hole through physical strength, and it looks like he didn’t actually.

    And Sammy…..

    Being Chinese with different characters, there’s probably multiple different ways to spell it and still be correct. With Spanish, Italian, and other languages, they still use an alphabet similar to English. So there’s normally just one correct way to spell it in English with translation. Hanukkah has multiple different variations of spelling in English, and yet can still be correct.
40. #40 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    This guy must really hate the hulk, he hates the Hulk and even whished the Thing could beat him.?? lol this guy is too funny. Don’t hate – congratulate, lol [does anyone know who this is from?] In case you haven’t heard yet, there’s a brand new Hulk running around smashing people in the Marvel Universe. He’s just like the regular Hulk, except he’s red and he gives off gamma radiation. Oh, and he uses a big gun. The Red Hulk has already defeated the Abomination, She-Hulk, Iron Man, the Green Hulk, and most ridiculously, knocked out the Watcher. Yes, you read that right, he knocked out the Watcher. And now it looks like he’ll be going toe-to-toe with everyone’s favorite Norse thunder god, the Mighty Thor in Hulk #5.

    This series is by Jeph Loeb (you know, the guy who killed off Captain America) so I fully expect to see Thor get his ass handed to him when these two square off. There are two things I expect from any comic book series written by Loeb. One is that he will ignore continuity to advance his story-lines, and two that he’ll kill off characters way too early for cheap shock value that has no real importance to to the storyline.

    Just look at the beginning of this series already. The Red Hulk knocked out the Watcher. Has this guy ever read a Marvel comic before? Does he know who the Watcher is? Does he know what the Watcher can do? He knocked out the Watcher before issue #5 of this series. Who is Red Hulk going to take down by issue #7? Galactus? The Living Tribunal? This is utterly stupid.

    I think we all know where Old-Wizard stands on the Thor vs Hulk debate. The old Thor is more powerful than the Hulk, and the new Thor (recreated by JMS, who unlike Loeb is a fantastic writer) should be able to easily handle the Hulk, green or red. This new Thor has taken down the Asgardian Destroyer. If he gets beaten by the Hulk it will be a long time before I pick up a Marvel comic again.

    How many more uber powerful characters is the Hulk (or a version of him) going to beat? Between Pak and Loeb the Hulk has taken out Black Bolt, Doctor Strange, Hercules, She Hulk, Iron Man in his Hulk Buster armour, The Sentry, and worst of all, I can’t even bring myself to type this…The WATCHER! This is crossing the line between being a somewhat serious comic book to a complete joke. Do Pak and Loeb have some sort of hard on for the Hulk?

    This could have been a great series, and maybe it will still turn out to be decent, if we get some sort of explanation of how the red Hulk knocked out the Watcher. You may remember that Thor was conveniently missing in action for the events of World War Hulk, had he been there, I have no doubt the Hulk would have beat him and the Sentry all at once. But now that Pak isn’t writing this series, this is the fight I’ve been waiting to see. The new Thor versus the Hulk. I just wish JMS would be the one to write it.

    Regardless, I have a feeling Thor is going to get defeated and then saved by the Green Hulk. This would be beyond stupid. It would render all of JMS’s work on Thor meaningless. If that happened, I would love to see JMS write a comic book where the Thing clobbered the Hulk. That would be a fitting response. Time will tell what will happen in Hulk #5, but you can bet Old-Wizard will weigh in on it.
41. #41 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    This guy doesn’t like the Hulk either, but I can at least agree with him, in that, every Hulk thor fight I remember seeing, it was just a back and forth event, with Hulk seeming to get the better of him. Now these comics are one’s I owned years ago, but I’m going to pick them up when I pick up the new red Hulk comic book about to be released. … Well, I completely agreed with you. I´ve been a long time fan of Thor and I have every single issue from JIM#83 so, I´m pissed just to see how disrespectful are the new writers with the caracter. They always try to please the fans of his own comic book so they can sell more!! And, in the Hulk comic books, the writers always want to demostrate that the Hulk is the strongest character in the MU. But they forget (or just don´t care) about the powers of the other heroes. In the case of Hulk vs Thor fights, they always have the two hiting each other with their fists, forgeting about all the other powers that Thor has.
42. #42 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    I also agree, that comic book characters are at the mercy of the writers.
43. #43 alberto says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Merk Anthony, I know you never said anything about the Hulk lifting a black hole, I just bring it up, because there is a lot of Hulk fans here, who missunderstand this feat.

    About Loeb, I hate Loeb, He should be better off writing for cartoon series.

    Mark Waid is my favorite writer

    And check this out
    This are the limits of Superman speed
    Is not bad actually, Superman speed is only second to Barry Allen, who is faster than a Takion, so yes Superman is faster than Thor and Silver Surfer. Wonder Woman and Gl move at light speed, yet Flash is faster, Superman catches up with the Flash (notice how flash is surprised at superman’s speed) and then finally Superman Bites the dust.
    Superman was actually trying to save Barry, so is safe to say that he was REALLY trying outrun the Flash.

    Here is the link

    http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/3/l_8b5e71019b5e47488f4c82ecdca9f791.jpg
44. #44 Mark Anthony says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    [One is that he will ignore continuity to advance his story-lines, ] It’s comic Book writing, anything goes,nothing is set in stone. One day your on top, the next you can get taken down a few pegs.
45. #45 Delta says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    Alberto…..

    Could you provide a larger scan, and the issue reference? I can’t actually read what’s going on there. And actually, it’s spelled “tachyon.” Though there is a New God named “Takion.”

    And Mark…..

    There’s inconsistencies, people being knocked down a peg, and completely fucking-up what’s happened before in the comics, out-right ignoring everything.
46. #46 alberto says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 3:18 am

    I mean tachyon sorry for the spelling

    Barry Allen is faster than a tachyon

    Issue reference
    The Flash Rebirth # 3 (On sale now )

    Delta; This is the dialog:

    1st page

    BARRY: “I’M RUNNING BACK TO THE SPEED FORCE”
    HAL: “You can’t do that”
    BARRY: “I can’t say goodbye to them again, Hal. I can’t say goodbye to Iris.
    She’ll undestand.
    I hope you do too”

    Then flash starts running faster

    SUPERMAN: “Barry.”

    Barry looks at Superman surprised at his speed

    2nd page

    SUPERMAN: “I’m not going to let you do this.”

    3rd page

    SUPERMAN: “The league has lost John and Arthur… Bruce.
    We can’t lose you too, Barry. Not when there is still hope.”
    BARRY: “I can’t risk hurting anyone else, Clark”
    BARRY: “of everyone I know. You can understand why I have to do this.”
    SUPERMAN: “You already sacrificed years of your life for everyone. You’ve been given a second chance.”
    BARRY: “It wasn’t a get out of jail free card. It was a wish off a monkey’s paw.”
    SUPERMAN: “We don’t know that for sure.”
    BARRY: “You can’t stop me.”
    SUPERMAN: “I’ve raced you before, Barry. I even won some of those races.”
    BARRY: “Those were for charity, Clark.”

    BOOOOOOOOOMMMM

    Flash leaves Superman behind.
47. #47 alberto says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 3:31 am

    I forgot, as Flash moves, he is moving so fast, that he is stripping the black aura, that makes him the black flash (or the flash killer), when he leaves Superman behind, he is no longer the Black Flash

    So is safe to say that Superman is at least faster than the Black Flash, but not as fast as Barry Allen
48. #48 big guns says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    I think with wink & nod DC has always acknowledge the Flash is some how fast then Superman. I remember once DC said the Flash was faster then Superman because it takes the Flash less willpower to obtain light speeds. Where Superman can obtain the same speed but he has to put more will power into which makes him slower. Example you have two cars both can go 60 miles per hour one does 0 to 60 in 10 seconds the other car does 0-60 in 8 seconds. the one 8 second is faster car. Same different between Supes & Flash.
49. #49 dragon09 says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    the new comic writers, editiors and publishers have no code and respect for comicdom it’s heroes and lineage; they will do anything to a great industry to sell comics to the unstable/unlearned younger generation next thing you know they will conjurned up a all powerful savage, green Logan and the kids will bite on it hook line and sinker…Nuff said about wanna be hulk…Fin
50. #50 Sammy says:
    March 12th, 2010 at 3:22 am

    I know you guys probably really hate vs comics, but pick up the new Wolverine Vs Thor comic, it is NICE. You can read the first three pages on Marvel.com through their digital comics. The rest of the comic gets even better.