Thor vs the Silver Surfer

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#1 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

Good Lord Power Cosmic, how old are you? 11? So you’re stupid, ignorant, AND immature.

#2 The power cosmic says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

Well it seems i got to you

#3 The power cosmic says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

Honestly we can go back to debating if you want to, I just find it rude when you question someones intelligence when they dont agree with you.

#4 The power cosmic says:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

Back to the debating part of it, I was looking into the Marvel Encyclopedia, my has rating off most hero and villians, I saw that Hulk and Juggernaut’s durability rating higher than both Thor and Silver Surfer’s. There being the highest meaning virtually indestructible . Ultron, Thanos, and Galactus also have this rating,

I heard someone said Juggs has a victory over Thor. I do know of the one battle where Thor used his God blast to halt Juggs and even canceled out his shield spell.

Also I read that Juggs originally was stronger than all of them (Thor, Hulk, Hercules) due his unlimited power source coming from the Cyttorak Gem

#5 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

Power Cosmic…..

Nah, you didn’t get to me. I’m just amused by you. And I’m not questioning your intelligence because you disagree with me. I’m questioning it based on how you’re presenting yourself, how you’re debating, and what you’re using for your arguments. Also the fact that you’re saying I wouldn’t talk to you like that face-to-face acting like I’d be afraid to, when you’re obviously a kid, is a little ridiculous. You’re saying “phucking” instead of “fucking.” I would take a guess that you’re 11 or 12, or an immature for your age and in your early teens.

And using stuff like Marvel Encyclopedia as the whole of your argument is bad. They’re useful to get a general sense of a character, but mostly just the basics of their abilities. It’s not uncommon for them to be incorrect on the limits or for them to even forget abilities the character has.

Such as Wonder Woman’s bio on DC’s website. It states,

“Wonder Woman possesses godlike strength, speed, invulnerability, and the ability to fly. She is also a skilled swords-woman and, like her namesake, is a master of the hunt and at communicating with animals.

“Wonder Woman’s arsenal includes a magic lasso which compels it’s captives to speak the truth, a boomerang tiara that can cut through diamond, and bracelets that can deflect gunfire.”

Based on that you have no idea how strong or fast she actually is. It gives no mention of how skilled a fighter she actually is, only naming her being “a master swords-woman.” It only says her tiara can cut through diamond, when it’s been used to decapitate a god. It would give you the impression that her lasso can only compel people to tell the truth, when she’s used it to cut foes, learn information by getting the truth about inanimate objects, created force-fields to protect others from mystical creatures, used it to burn objects, calming down enraged opponents, and more. This bio would also give one the impression that she can only block bullets with her bracelets, when she’s blocked energy cannon fire from Thangarnian ships, mystic energy blasts, and even a blast created by the combined power of the Greek Pantheon of gods. It’s been said they could block any force, and they are supposed to be completely indestructible, at least from conventional forces. A powerful enough mystic or reality warper could likely damage them, but would have to do it in an unconventional way.

Nor does it name the majority of her other, though more obscure, abilities like linking herself to the regenerative powers of Gaea, that she knows a small degree of the mystic arts, slipping her astral form out, her having a form of immortality(whether literal immortality or simply extremely retarded aging, I dunno, but in another dimension where time flowed differently, she did not age after 1,000 years of war), or her limited inter-dimensional travel.

See my point about using stuff not directly from the comics? Even the bios from official sites tend to forget things, and on fan-based sites you won’t often find specific examples to show just WHAT the character can do. Hell, Wonder Woman probably has other abilities I’m not aware of.

Now, I do see Juggernaut being more durable than Thor, at the least with his “force”-field/unstoppable enchantment. If he is without it? Dunno. On Thanos having the highest ranking, I dunno if they’re basing it on pure durability or taking into consideration he’d been barred from Death(far as I know this still applies) so even if you destroy him in a manner that would normally kill him, he’ll just come back. Since Death will not accept him. Similar thing happened with several Elders Of The Universe when they tricked Death into banning them from her realm. Galactus ate them or something, like vaporized them into base energy or something along those lines, and they reformed inside Galactus and nearly killed him. Though it’s been a while since I read about it, so I could be wrong.

I dunno if Juggernaut has a victory over Thor. All the fights between the two I’ve read or heard of, I can’t recall Juggernaut actually WINNING. But most of the fights I know of, Thor won with something like battle-field removal. The equivalent of in say MMA, where the ref ends the fight because one fighter got a cut so bad, the fight doctor recommended the fight be ended. Even if the fighter who lost was dominating the fight, like on THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER when Chris Leban and Kenny Florian fought in the semi-finals, Chris was beating the shit out of Kenny(though not taking Kenny down. Kenny’s one tough dude, Sean Sherk failed to knock him out after lifting him up and slamming his head into the ground), and Kenny got one elbow strike(which was actually the first time he ever did it in a fight, since the other fights he had, the other leagues didn’t allow elbow strikes) and got a bad cut on Chris shortly before the round ended. And after the round, they looked at the cut and stopped the fight.

So yeah, Juggernaut’s kicked Thor’s ass around, but I don’t know of him actually WINNING.

You are correct on Thor using the God-Essence Blast on Juggernaut, I think it not only stopped the unstoppable but moved him back a little bit. Didn’t actually hurt him though. Thor also once canceled-out the unstoppable enchantment. Juggernaut is supposed to have this field around him, and it’s not exactly a force-field. One Juggernaut/Thor fight had Thor(though I think it was the Eric Masterson Thor), throw Mjolnir at Juggernaut and Mjolnir actually slowed-down, then stopped in mid-air. A fight or two later between these two, Thor used Mjolnir to first “scan” Juggernaut’s power, then cancel-out the unstoppable enchantment by having Mjolnir circle the two.

I have a hard time believing that Juggernaut was stronger than Thor, Hulk(well he’s stronger than a calm Hulk) or Hercules, at least at the beginning. I haven’t seen it myself, but it just sounds wrong considering he originally was a foe of the early X-Men. I do believe there was a point where he had access to more of the magick that powered him or something like that and he became a beast, I think one of those beings above top-tier but not like a Skyfather. Though I wouldn’t be too surprised if he always had more endurance than those guys since he’s supposed to be powered by the mystic energy to the point he doesn’t need to eat, or sleep either I believe.

#6 The power cosmic says:
November 20th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

Im actually grown, I was in Marvel Comics in the 80’s. I sorta got out of it in my teens, and got back in once Marvel started going to the movie screen. When I was younger my character was Spiderman, I do remember him though he isnt what they call a “one man army” but him and Captain America has defeated alot of people more powerful them whether by strength, speed durability, energy or all the above.

Now I know that Spiderman was the face of Marvel all these years.

Also I always known Juggernaut to put in petty roles like Thieving with Tom Cassidy, despite how powerful he is. But I guess that was his character also.

Reading though I’ve seen that some people’s powers have dwindle or gotten enhance over the years. I have the Silver Surfer essentials where he Loki brings SS into Asgard, and at the end admit that Mjolnir is more powerful than his Power Cosmic. Wolverine healing factor has enhanced, where at his just heal quicker than a normal human, now he heals minutes after a injury.

The Comics do contradict themselves, I also notice, I seen SS get knock out by Thing, couldn’t even break the grip of Black Panther, and gotten beat by Namor,but… She Hulk who has beaten Champion didn’t hurt SS when he punched him.

I think Classic Thor is more powerful than modern Thor, just as the Pre Crisis Superman, but we all know that invisibility is boring

#7 The power cosmic says:
November 20th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

I misspell my cuss words, cause Im use to some sites automatically deleting posts, that have curse words in them. I don’t know everything or read all the issues. I take in all info whether from a comic or like Marvel Ultimate Alliance where Doom stealing Odin’s power had effect on the whole Universe didn’t make sense to me where he’s pretty powerful, not on the scale of Eternity, Infinity, Death, Galactus, Phoneix Force, and so forth.

#8 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:47 am

Power Cosmic…..

I’d have to say you don’t seem to be grown. Not even being insulting now. Simply stating observations.

But Spider-Man and Captain America winning by…..energy? Only Cosmic Spider-Man, when he was what I’ve lately seen people refer to as “Captain Spideyverse” when he was a Captain Universe, is like the only one I know of who had energy blasts. Unless you mean plot-device weapons they put together or got access to. So please explain what you mean by “energy.”

On Juggernaut, he’s not the most ambitious type. He’s mostly just wanted “revenge” on his step-brother he was jealous of, I believe. Though he’s a pretty loyal friend, so yeah he’s going to follow Tom Cassidy. Who I guess isn’t the most ambitious either.

And yes I know characters increase in power over time. After CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, Superman used to be limited to lifting the Great Pyramid while focusing all his immediate and reserve solar energy, and now you’ve got him throwing beyond Earth’s gravity ships that are four times aircraft carriers, destroying moons with punches and holding a miniature black hole in his hand to stop it from increasing in size. Superman’s speed was also limited more towards super-sonic, like one showed him moving at 4 times the speed of sound, then he’s out-raced energy beams, been stated by Impulse to move at 99% of lightspeed, and multiple times flown multiple lightminute distances in less than the minutes light takes. One example had him going as much as roughly 3,000 times lightspeed. Also before this, he stated he was capable of deep space travel and only needed a starchart and directions to find Apokolips, though was unaware Apokolips was in another dimension. And he also went from surviving, but being knocked unconscious, by nuclear explosions, to shrugging off a nuke that destroyed most of an island…..while literally sitting in Kryptonite. And also surviving, but apparently getting a concussion from, an explosion that was equivalent to a “million nuclear explosions” or it might’ve even been a “million million.” Flash went from being limited to not far beyond sound to being capable of surpassing lightspeed by a great deal, and having multiple different abilities he could do like sap kinetic energy/inertia from an opponent, give moving objects inertia/velocity, being able to cause explosions when he phases, and more.

I wouldn’t say comics always contradict themselves, as much as being inconsistent. Sometimes even in the same story a character will be very inconsistent for the plot. From powers seeming to vary to Plot-Induced Stupidity. I would say Thing knocking-out Silver Surfer was more of a high-end feat for Thing. Norrin getting knocked-out by a brick is a bad showing. But the Black Panther thing? Yeah. An armbar will not work, even with perfect technique and ultimate leverage, against someone with THAT big a strength difference. I think it could work, at least in comics, with say the strength gap being Spider-Man level, but not with Rogue-level. Which is what I think Silver Surfer is at base-level.

She-Hulk beating Champion was her preparing for it. She trained in hand-to-hand combat and weight trained extensively in her normal human form so she had a big strength increase when she went into her She-Hulk form. I also know that Champion was beaten by Thanos, though it wasn’t a straight-up fight. I can’t recall what Thanos did, but I think it was using a different Infinity Gem than Champion had. Still, you said only Silver Surfer has beaten Champion, which is incorrect.

But were you saying She-Hulk didn’t effect Silver Surfer or was it Champion who didn’t knock-out Silver Surfer? The “She Hulk who has beaten Champion didn’t hurt SS when he punched him.” part wasn’t clear, as I believe She-Hulk’s also faced Silver Surfer and “he” couldn’t been a typo meant to be “she.” But if you’re referring to She-Hulk didn’t really effect Silver Surfer, and saying it was contradictory for her to beat Champion, she was essentially temporarily powered-up.

I think of classic Thor normally when I think of Thor, but I dunno if I’d say classic Thor is more powerful than modern Thor. Modern Thor has some level of access to the Odin-Force. It’s been REALLY inconsistent, I think only in his own title has he been shown to use it, and half the time his own writer forgets Thor has it. He might just give it to Baulder or someone trusted.

The misspelling cursing thing really makes you look like a retarded 14 year old.

And taking ALL information is a bad thing. The cartoons aren’t in continuity. So the HULK VS DVD is not cannon. It’s one thing to use that to strengthen examples from the comics. I’ve got a speech and what Superman did in JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED to reinforce Superman’s statement that he’s only hit someone as hard as he could twice. But that’s different from bringing up that JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED thing where he says he’s always holding back and feels like he’s in a world made of cardboard as my argument.

Video games are also a bad example, an even worse example than the cartoons or non-continuity comics(like the JUSTICE LEAGUE ADVENTURES comic DC made after the JUSTICE LEAGUE cartoon). Video games are an even worse example since they’ve got to balance things out to make the gameplay work. For example, Doctor Strange is one of the worst characters in that game since he’s got such weak striking, which does make sense. Yet, instead of compensating for that by giving him plenty of energy to use his powers, it’s used up quickly so I have to go back to striking again. If they allowed me to chose Body, Energy and Strike and whatever other basic attributes that increased as the character leveled-up, I would’ve really liked using Doctor Strange since I’d put almost all of his stat points into Energy. I don’t recall if they renamed that attribute or not from the X-MEN LEGENDS games, so I’m sticking to it being called “Energy.” But anyways, Thor doesn’t strike all that harder than Spider-Man in the game, and Spider-Man doesn’t strike all that harder than Captain America in the game, although that example is closer to the comics.

But Doctor Doom stole the power from Galactus just by using a machine he whipped-up with what technology he could get, in SECRET WARS, so I would think it’d be possible for Doctor Doom to steal Odin’s power with some mystical artifacts. And he’s a decently powerful mage and a prep-time freak on top of that.

#9 The power cosmic says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am

LOL, you are just not familiar with different cultures I see. In Hip Hop America most English words are not spelled right on purpose. As we all know that are alot of dialects, accents and patios of the English language

I didn’t say Spidey or Cap had energy,I was just saying have they beaten people more powerful than them, like for example Spidey beaten Electro. They have beaten people who have stronger and better powers than them. We all know that Cap’s body was made to human perfection, but their was a time when he was amped up too. But Classic Cap has beaten others still too though.

In the games, they didn’t even give Spider Woman Strength features, but I guess they had enough people to do so. I was also not happy they didn’t have Hulk( the did have Bruce Banner at the Omega Base and a dying Hulk fighting Doom) and the Punisher.

#10 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 12:33 am

Actually, Power Cosmic, I am familiar. Though I’m also familiar with most people around the age you seem to be, based on what you’ve said about when you read comics, to not act like that. Unless they’re REALLY ghetto. You didn’t seem ghetto, you seemed about 11 who learned swear words but didn’t want to get in trouble.

“When I was younger my character was Spiderman, I do remember him though he isnt what they call a ‘one man army’ but him and Captain America has defeated alot of people more powerful them whether by strength, speed durability, energy or all the above.”

That’s what you had said that made me think you talked about Spider-Man and Captain America using energy attacks. I was assuming you meant times they’ve used weapons for a plot-device or using something from the environment. It was just a bit confusing how your worded it.

In MARVEL: ULTIMATE ALLIANCE, they did have Hulk in their downloadable content. They’re supposed to have him as one of the playable characters off the disc, in the sequel. One of the features they’re implementing in the sequel is both promising, and stupid. At least depending on the characters. It’s two characters working together for an “ultimate attack.” Like giving Daredevil speed to cause a whirlwind to throw enemies up in the air, I think it was while Iron Man blasts the enemies. Also the hamster ball thing with Invisible Woman and Hulk teaming-up for their “ultimate attack” just seems stupid to me.

#11 C says:
November 20th, 2009 at 6:58 am

This is complete ridiculousness. Listen you Thor fanboys – I’m quite sure Hulk is 5-2 all time against Thor.

What is my point? Records don’t necessarily mean anything, because I believe Thor is written as a more powerful character than Hulk.

So unless you recognize that records do not necessarily indicate “who is better” than your stupid argument is moot because then boring Hulk is better than Thor or SS.

Something to keep in mind: SS NEVER goes all out. This is a huge rarity for him, and if he does it is against beings he wants to permanently extinguish (Aegis and Tenebrous ring a bell?).

He is constantly written as having his personality hold him back (because he is so “noble” and nice). You think he would ever go all out against a “hero” like Thor? Unlikely. So his 0-3 record against Thor that you Thor-boys keep citing does not impress me at all.

#12 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

C…..

While it’s true that power doesn’t equal victory, the article’s on Thor VS Silver Surfer. Fight records to have a part over who’s more powerful, though not the entirety.

And actually I think Thor’s record against Hulk is better than that.

And Silver Surfer has won every time against Hulk when there’s been a conclusive winner(several times they’ve fought without any actual win), save the last time where Surfer was cut-off from Power Cosmic.

And actually Surfer DOES have a win against Thor, though it was essentially a sucker-punch, and while I’d have to check to confirm, there were out-side circumstances beyond Thor not being aware.

#13 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

Oh and C, after doing a little research, it actually looks like it’s THOR who has the majority of wins over Hulk, and two clear draws. Those draws are notable as most of their fights are too inconclusive to even be draws, but the two clear ones, Thor doesn’t have Mjolnir. And all the Hulk fanboys claim Thor would be utterly owned and have no chance against Hulk if Mjolnir were out of the equation.

#14 Rich says:
November 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

LOL. How does Thor have the majority over the Hulk? Have you ever read a comic book before? Oh, and pretty sure if the Thing can beat the sh** out of the Silver Surfer, so can the Hulk.

#15 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

Thor has the majority over Hulk. Hulk fanboys take some fights that don’t end conclusively as wins. And some really stupid examples.

And yes, I’ve read many comic books.

And Silver Surfer has utterly owned Hulk multiple times, and the ONLY time Hulk has ever won, Surfer was massively weakened, and Hulk only managed to win due to help.

#16 Rich says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

LOL. You’re fucking stupid. The THING has defeated the Silver Surfer. And Hulk has owned the Thing EVERY time they have fought. And you saying Thor has the majority of wins over Thor means nothing you ass clown. I’ve never even seen Thor have an advantage over the Hulk, even when he’s had help.

#17 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:54 am

Yeah, I’m the fucking stupid one, yet you aren’t aware that Surfer’s owned Hulk at least three times.

And Thor’s never had the advantage?
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%201/3.jpg

What does that look like? That’s Thor winning the fight, not having the advantage. And the record between the two is 4-2-2 in Thor’s favor.

#18 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:23 am

Oh also Rich, for Hulk having owned Thing every single time, you’re rather unaware. While Hulk has the majority of wins, you’re so damn wrong that Thing has never won. Thing has two wins over Hulk, actually.

And you’re the one who asked if I ever read a comic.

#19 LOL says:
November 20th, 2009 at 10:57 am

Yall taking this too serious, it all depends on who is writing the comic, and who’s comic its in! I believe 40 years ago, Marvel made Odin probably the most powerful being in the universe even over Galactus, (before the Death, Infinity, Eternity, Celestials or what not).

Now the the last 20 years the Asgardians are Gods, yes but Earth Gods, they are nowhere near Cosmic Entities. Galactus is actually up there with Eternity/Infinity, Death/Obilivion and Galactus is considered a sibling to all of them.

I don’t think something made by elves can be more powerful than something given to you by a being from another universe born before this one!!!

Silver Surfer is a known Pacifist, he’s has lost alot of battles to LESSER BEINGS!!!

Hell Hulk has lost alot to leser beings also, his rage is unlimited, his rage can reach a point where, he can shrug off lightning from Thor.

Thor has more victories over most than people even people like Gladiator, Juggs,SS, Hulk, Herc,even Galactus(from the 60’s when he wasnt as powerful)

#20 LOL says:
November 20th, 2009 at 10:59 am

But I say SS has is more powerful than Thor, if you are not talking about Thor w/o the Odinforce.

But if SS had ALL of the power cosmic, than he would be more powerful than Thor with the Odinforce.

#21 LOL says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:04 am

Oh on another note, I read a post about the Beyounder, well the Beyounder in the Secret Wars was like the being that made Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, and Celestials beg for mercy, he just shrug Galactus off with ease.

His creator left Marvel in a couple of years. The other writers didn’t like Beyounder unlimited abilities so, THEY WATER HIM DOWN BIG TIME!!!!! He’s no longer up there with powerhouses, he actually is said to be accidentally been created by Molecule Man. He’s like Mephisto where, he’s unlimited only in his dimesion.

#22 LOL says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:16 am

The Celestials being more powerful than Galactus can be a good debate too.

#23 LOL says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:18 am

What are people’s takes on Sentry?

#24 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

Actually it was an editor hated Beyonder, and wanted the character gone.

#25 LOL says:
November 20th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

Well how many powerhouses can have though, I honestly didn’t know of that many till I read the Infinity Gauntlet, where Galactus got all the big boys even Eternity to deal with Thanos. Then that’s where I first heard of the Living Tribunal.

I kinda figure out why Marvel went with the “Ultimate” universe. Alot stuff in the “616″ universe makes you want to scratch your head, like where would you rank the Phoniex to the Cosmic entities? I heard it or she is just as powerful as the Living Tribunal or would that be debatable also?

#26 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

Characters like Galactus are what are called “Cosmic/Abstract Entities.” Most just do “Cosmic” but I do “Cosmic/Abstract” since some, but not all, represent a force or concept, like Death or the Order and Chaos guys, or Love or Hate.

There’s many more than were shown there. Order and Chaos have someone who works for them that’s roughly on their level called the In-Betweener. There’s a lot more Celestials than were shown. There’s Oblivion, counter-part to Death, and Infinity, counter-part to Eternity. Ego, a literal living planet, might also rank at this level, but not sure.

Though I normally don’t like to use Wikipedia to teach people or to get information, Wikipedia generally does a good job of teaching people the basics of a character, even if it’s not 100% accurate or tells the character’s capabilities.

Even though I disagree with some of what the article says, the Wikipedia entry on Cosmic Entities from Marvel is a good primer to start learning about the Cosmic/Abstract Entities in Marve, so here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entities_%28Marvel_Comics%29

And here’s the entry for DC Entities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entities_%28DC_Comics%29

Again, don’t agree with everything the entry for DC Entities says, but it’s also a good primer to get you started.

#27 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

Here’s an example of the entry not being 100% accurate. On the DC entry, Captain Nazi is not only Entity level, unless there’s been some recent change, but he gets his powers from science, not magick where the list placed him. Captain Nazi is more in Superman’s class than an Entity.

It also depends on how weak something can be and still be an Entity. Some consider powerful demons, like Mephisto and Santannish in Marvel and Neron and Lucifer in DC, to be Entities, others don’t. Some consider Skyfathers and Skyfather level characters like Odin and Highfather to be Entity level, others don’t.

I don’t think the more powerful demons like Mephisto and below are Entity level, but at least they and Skyfathers are close enough to be in the same league.

#28 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

Oh and I missed your earlier question. No, Phoenix is not as powerful as the Living Tribunal. The Phoenix Force it’s self, not an Avatar of the Phoenix Force like Jean Grey and Rachel Summers, are comparable to Galactus or a Celestial, but I don’t know if it’s even as powerful as them, and it’s certainly not as powerful as Living Tribunal.

#29 LOL says:
November 20th, 2009 at 12:41 am

Didn’t one of the avatars beaten a hungry Galactus before?

#30 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 12:51 am

LOL, elaborate what you mean. Avatar of what? One of the Entities that represents a concept like Death?

#31 LOL says:
November 20th, 2009 at 12:38 am

What I meant like Rachel or Jean Grey of the Phoenix

#32 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:36 am

I know Rachel Summers faced a I think hungry Galactus, dunno if she defeated him or not though.

#33 Norrin says:
November 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

Sorry, but if the Surfer were to ever use his power at full potential, he would annihilate Thor, or at least send him back to Asgard without a head.

#34 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

And you get that from what exactly Norrin?

#35 armymedic says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

It’s too bad that comics are writing by popularity when it comes to match ups like this. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have Wolverine beat Lobo or Storm owning Wonder Woman. So, lets for at least moment not care you like better and look at the characters for what they are. First both are both are creations of all powerful beings. Their strength level are nearly equal, since both can augment it and have held their own with The Hulk. Speed wise I give it to SS, but Thor is capable of countering that with his senses and teleportion. It would look like a DBZ fight, since both move so fast and can teleport. Power wise, I think Thor has the advantage only because he can call on daddy for more power, unlike SS who is basically a outcast. Even, so SS has handle himself against his creator who is at least thousands times stronger than him. Power cosmic and Norse magic would cancel each other out. So to me it boils down to is fighting techniques and persona. SS just isn’t a warrior. I see the two nearly exhausted, without enough energy to use their special powers. Then Thor wins with his combact skills. By the way, what ever universe they fight in would be nearly destroyed.

#36 Alberto says:
November 20th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

Wow! I can really tell that Zeromage is bias, and That He really loves Thor. of course he has stated that.

Not only does He cries and complains about Thor getting his ass kicked by Rulk even though it was PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity)

But also say’s that JLA/AVENGERS does not count, because Superman with PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) can defeat even Galactus.

Then He come here and basically says that Thor defeating the Surfer is canon even if it PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity)

Those are some dual standards and with all due respect you should make up your mind if PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) should be taken serious or not.

#37 Justin says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:20 am

Wrap it up with this:Silver Surfer said straight up the Mjolnir alone possessed more power than what Surfer had in power cosmic.As for Someone saying Superman can kill Galactus?Bullshit.

#38 Justin says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:32 am

I’ve never read on a Hulk fight between SS but I saw a Rulk one where he defeated SS and stole his powers but then Galactus made Rulk his bitch.

#39 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:43 am

Silver Surfer has beaten Hulk at least three times. Twice he’s just drained Hulk of his gamma radiation, reverting Hulk into a normal human. One of those times, Surfer actually caught Hulk’s punch and matched him grappling. Another time Surfer knocked Hulk the fuck out with a single energy blast.

Hulk does have one win over Silver Surfer, but Surfer was almost depowered, and Hulk had help.

#40 Robert says:
November 20th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

Just look at how ridiculous looked the SS when trying to stop Thanos at Thanos quest, Thor has shown much more against him.

Besides this in terms of endurance Thor is in a much higher level

#41 Tejas says:
November 20th, 2009 at 9:57 am

Thor and SS are sure a same power level. Thor can defeat Hulk with ease. Now what do ya say. Thor and SS can defeat Hulk. Just one throw of Mjolnir and hulk is knock outt. Thor can kick hulks butts. Superman has defeated Hulk in DC Versus Marvel crossover. And Thor has defeated Superman. This Shows.

#42 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:41 am

What the FUCK are you on Tejas? Where the FUCK did you get that Thor has defeated Superman? Even those that keep arguing it’s not in continuity would laugh at you.

#43 alberto says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

Hahahahahahaha Tejas, nice joke

#44 Alpha-q says:
November 20th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

sweet comment Tejas, but i’ll agree with delta. I have one question… isn’t comic power leage above from odinforce, if so… please leave a comment. from what i read in previous threads, skyfathers are a step away from galactus and lil’ lower than the celestials…

#45 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 9:50 am

Alpha-q…..

If you mean the Power Cosmic, then no, it’s not above the Odin Force. Not nearly.

And Skyfathers are a lil’ lower than the Celestials? Doesn’t appear to be. Since Odin, most powerful of the Skyfathers, and almost all of Asgard, had animated the Destroyer, a weapon MADE to fight Celestials and was given some of the power of multiple Skyfathers(who got together to help with the prep to face the Celestials) and…..didn’t do a damn thing, really.

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