Thor vs. Superman

Thor vs. Superman

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Last Updated:: July 15, 2008

The Mighty Thor and Superman are the heavy-hitters of Marvel and DC respectively, each of them arguably the most powerful hero in their respective universes. So its natural that this is without question the most discussed versus debate amongst comic book fans. No other versus battle comes close to being talked about as much than this one. Try to start a “Superman vs Thor” thread on any forum and the first response is sure to be: “Not this again”.

Some of you may remember our “Top 10 Most Powerful Superheroes” list that we released a while back, where we made the controversial claim that Thor was the most powerful superhero of all time (Superman coming in at number three on that list). Months later we are still receiving emails either agreeing with us, or flaming us for that decision. Many fans cite Superman’s speed as the deciding factor in any fight between the two behemoths. Other emails claim that Thor’s magical powers would be enough to stop the man of steel in his tracks. So, the natural question is, do we still stand by our claim that Thor is more powerful than Superman? The answer is still “yes.” In this article we’ll break down the seven most common arguments and give you our take on them.

1. Super Strength

The claim has often been made that Superman is stronger than Thor. Many times on versus forums threads this claim is accepted as a given by both sides of the debate. We don’t concede that the Man of Steel is physically stronger than the god of thunder though. Thor has performed feats such as lifting the World Serpent, and once hurled the Odinsword, an enormous mystical blade, through a Celestial! Thor has also single-handedly matched the strength of the Hulk on numerous occasions (the Marvel Universe’s strongest character). Not only that but Thor is capable of entering into a state known as the “Warrior’s Madness”, which will temporarily increase his strength tenfold. Some of these feats have no true equivalent in the DC universe. We think at the very least, the two character’s physical strength is equal.

2 . Super Speed

This is Superman’s one true advantage in this fight. Superman is fast. We’re talking warp speed fast. We’re talking once around the entire planet and back before you can blink fast. You could easily make the argument that Thor would be lucky if he even saw Superman before he got pounded. But is Thor as slow as everyone seems to think? Unknown to many DC fanboys Thor can throw his hammer at the speed of light (See Thor#140, Thor#274). He can also swing it at TWICE the speed of light (Journey Into Mystery#102). In Thor -#393- it’s established that the speed of Thor’s hammer TRANSCENDS both TIME & SPACE. In addition Thor can appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166). And, most importantly, Thor could, visually, detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire- see Invaders#33- and Avengers-#281- when he saw the speedy Hermes. And yes, I do need a life). Now if we accept that Superman can move at 99% of the speed of light, and that Thor can swing his hammer at twice the speed of light, it stands to reason that big blue is in some trouble. It’s true that Thor doesn’t use his super speed abilities often, but how many times have you seen Superman not use his super speed when he should have?

3. Stanima

Who can take more punishment, Thor or Superman? This is a difficult question. Thor has withstood a blast from Asgardian Destroyer. Superman has withstood a direct hit from a nuclear bomb. Thor has taken everything the Hulk could dish out. Thor also once took a glancing hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion he fell from space (leaving a crater miles wide) to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Thor has also taken everything that Gladiator (an arguably more powerful version of Superman) could dish out. Both characters have come back from the dead a couple of times. In my mind this one is a draw. Both characters have approximately the same stanima. The difference is Superman has weaknesses (i.e. Kryptonite, Magic, and the fact he is powerless without yellow sunlight) whereas Thor pretty much doesn’t.

4. Magic

Even the most diehard Superman fan would concede that Thor’s magical abilities would be an advantage for Thor. First, I would like to note that just because an opponent can wield magic, it in no way guarantees a win over the last son of Krypton. Superman has defeated countless magic users in the past, and so I have no illusions that just because Thor has magic powers and a magic hammer that he would automatically own Superman. That being said magic is just as lethal against Supes as kryptonite. Superman has no defense against it, and it can affect him greatly. Superman getting pounded by Mjolnir is the same as you and me getting pounded by a normal hammer. And consider the guy who’s swinging it. It’s Thor. The god of thunder. Not only that, but Thor’s lightning is magical too. Remember that just a single lightning bolt is equivalent to 15,000,000 volts of electricity and could travel over 224,000 miles an hour. The clear advantage here goes to Thor.

5. Super Powers

Before Thor inherited the Odinforce, the super powers of these two heroes were a little more even. Now there is absolutely no contest. Thor has a clear edge over Superman here. His magical hammer gives Thor the ability to control the weather, the ability to fly; energy projection and absorption; dimensional apertures; matter manipulation, as well as the most powerful of his offensive powers: the God Blast, and the Anti-Force. Superman is no push over in this department either, with the already mentioned super strength, super speed, as well as heat vision, x-ray vision, enhanced senses, and the ability to blow hurricane force winds from his mouth. But what is that compared to being able to summon an actual hurricane? Not only that but with the Odinforce Thor was then capable of feats such as reconstructing the Earth’s Moon,willing the Asgardian monster Mangog into nothingness, and by focusing his entire power into a hammer throw that even decapitated a Desak-occupied Asgardian Destroyer. Having accepted his heritage as the son of the earth goddess Gaea, he has recently been shown to be capable of opening chasms in the earth itself, and who knows what other abilities he’ll be displaying now that he’s done that.

6. Superman beat Thor in the Avengers / DC Crossover

I don’t want to spend much time on this one. Most fans of comics know how much weight we should give to crossovers. Besides, I personally have no doubt that Superman would beat Galactus in a crossover. He’s DC’s flagship character after all. Enough said on that one.

7. Thor has Thousands of Years of Combat Experience

This is a common argument used by Thor fans to claim that Thor would take down Superman. It seems fairly obvious. If I somehow gained super powers and a Viking Warrior somehow gained the exact same or nearly equivalent powers, most people would put their money on the Viking if we fought each other. Now imagine the Viking warrior was thousands of years older than me, and had been using his powers for all those thousands of years to battle trolls, giants, demons, robots, aliens, and gods, and I have only been using my powers for 20-30 years. It seems clear to me that the Viking Warrior god has a clear cut advantage over me in a fight. Again advantage Thor.

It seems obvious to me that Thor has a clear advantage over Superman in a fight. I don’t think that Thor is so powerful that there is no way that Superman could ever defeat him. But I believe that the majority of the time Thor would beat Superman in a one on one fight, assuming its not a fight to the death. If it is a fight to the death, then I think Thor would almost invariably win. So there you have it, the definitive answer to one of the most talked about and controversial debates in comic book nerdom. Brought to you by your pals at Old-Wizard.com.

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2,308 Comments

#1 alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 4:37 am

@Rick

How is this for a speed combo?

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5269/robotkz6.jpg

#2 alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 4:40 am

I will love to see Thor taking this kind of punishment

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6668/doomsdayrex118xm.jpg

#3 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 4:50 am

Alberto : Lol! More chips!!!!

#4 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 4:50 am

Alberto : The Superman at the left in the background (in your first scan) looks like Superboy Prime…

#5 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 4:51 am

Woops, wrong debate. I meant the one in the Top 10.

#6 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 4:51 am

I think they haven’t read that post about PC Wonder-Woman…

#7 Rick says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6668/doomsdayrex118xm.jpg

How fast is he going? You realize I can show you scans of Spiderman that LOOK just like that, right? So what?

(also shows Kryptonite hurting him which made me laugh)

#8 Rick says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

How is this for a speed combo?

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5269/robotkz6.jpg

Nothing there that has to be light speed.

#9 alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

I guess then you are happy with this one

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6441/ftlspeedblitz.jpg

#10 alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

Or this one?

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2492/combatspeedts0.jpg

#11 Rick says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6441/ftlspeedblitz.jpg

Leon: This still doesn’t prove anything. Again, I’ve seen Spiderman blurring while dodging bullets. I guess he’s too fast for Thor too.

#12 Rick says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

Alberto, none of your scans prove jack shit. How fast is he going there? Tell me.

#13 Rick says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

Remember when Superman broke into Luthor’s office and Luthor had the kryptonite ring on and Luthor said something like, “I could just stand here right now until you died and claim I had no idea why you were dying but that’s not how I want to play this little game of ours. When I kill you, it won’t be some cheap sneak attack. Now get out of my office.” Then helped Superman walk and tossed him out the door.

#14 Rick says:
March 18th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

http://superherouniverse.com/superheroes/images/jonah-hex/wallpaper/jonah-vs-superman.jpg

where was superman’s BILLIONS OF TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEED reaction time to save him here? sad thing is, guy doesn’t even have any powers.

#15 alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

Ever heard of PIS Einstein?

#16 Leon says:
March 18th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

@rick
You said,
“Leon: This still doesn’t prove anything. Again, I’ve seen Spiderman blurring while dodging bullets. I guess he’s too fast for Thor too.”

I showed you a scan of Superman exceeding light speed in an atmosphere. Thus that isn’t a mere blur. And spider-man did engage Thor once in comics. Spider-man showed that he had the superior speed indeed. Spider-man was shown to be too fast for Thor for the most part.

#17 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

@Leon

Rick has never understand the meaning of the comic books, just because He sees somebody after image, it imples (to him) That, Spiderman is moving at light speed, even though He has never moved at light speed or even hyper sonic speeds.

Spiderman being represented leaving after images is just a representation that He moves as fast as a spider and His senses Help him to dodge incomming attack.

While in the case of Superman, leaving after images means that He is moving at least faster than the eye can catch the light.

But Rick does not understand that, because He is a troll.

I’m finally done with you Rick

#18 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

Rick : I guess PC WW > Thor…

#19 Reporter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:07 am

I know this is a Thor Vs Superman(and I’m probably gonna have a lot of haters for showing this)but I like to show this cards.Its a Marvel Vs DC Cards.Check out the one who wrote the article on the Hulk.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kilotwo/277564939/in/set-72157594341795296/

If any one has trouble reading it, here’s what it says at the back of the card.

“You’d expect a brutish-looking creature called the Hulk to live up to his name, but this “monster” possess a brilliant, scientific mind. Still, he’s one of the strongest beings I’ve ever encountered.I hope I don’t have to find out just how strong.”

-”Clark Kent”

We all know who Clark Kent(aka Superman) is.The Hulk he defeated(via fan votes) in Marvel Vs DC is the Prof.Hulk Version(w/c is 1 of his weaker incarnations by the way).For him to state that he doesn’t want to find out “just how strong” the Hulk is is like saying “I don’t want another fight with the Hulk.”If Prof.Hulk was enough to scare him, then What do you think will he say about World Breaker Hulk?Thor has beaten Hulk multiple times.So I say Thor can beat Superman as well.

Note:If anyone here has any complains about the Marvel Vs DC cards I’ve shown, Don’t complain to me.Bring your complain to Clark Kent(aka Superman) since he’s the one who wrote the article/profile on the Hulk.Not me.

#20 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

@Reporter

I won’t complain to anyone, not even to “Clark Kent”
“Because he wrote this note”

That sounds to me, that “Clark” will not like to find out how strong Hulk could be, because in theory, he has infinite strenght, in practice (aka WWH) He is at Planet busting level.

Why should this be a concern for Superman? When he clearly can do the same?

And you seem to forget or probably don’t know that Superman defeated Thor.

#21 Reporter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:59 am

@Alberto

The card I posted was just to show that even Clark Kent(aka Superman) doesn’t underestimate even characters from Marvel.

“I won’t complain to anyone, not even to “Clark Kent”
“Because he wrote this note”

That sounds to me, that “Clark” will not like to find out how strong Hulk could be, because in theory, he has infinite strenght, in practice (aka WWH) He is at Planet busting level.

Why should this be a concern for Superman? When he clearly can do the same?

And you seem to forget or probably don’t know that Superman defeated Thor.”

I’ve read a lot of old post here in OW.A lot of Superman fans had claimed that Superman can allegedly lift “Infinite Weight(w/c I believe is Hyperbole).”And this fans have no problem believing Superman can lift Infinite yet they have trouble believing Sentry has a million exploding suns(w/c I also believe is Hyperbole).But I think Sentry’s million exploding suns has a better chance of being proven true than Superman lifting infinite weight.In 1 issue, Sentry cured an autistic child using his powers suggesting that Sentry only emits light not UV Rays that everyone thought of.Still the million exploding suns is still hyperbole since the power of the explosions is not measured.And for U to state Superman can do the same thing that Hulk can do is the same as conceding that Hulk has Infinite Strength(again might be Hyperbole).So Thor can go toe to toe w/ Superman(who allegedly has Infinite Strength) since he has battled Hulk.I know that U might say Hulk doesn’t have the same powers as Superman but my point is strength doesn’t matter to Thor.As for who’s the better fighter between Thor & Superman.Its not true that Thor is fist first in a fight.This only happens when he fights brutes like Hulk & Juggernaut.I can give issues were Thor uses his skills in fighting when he fights other people.The Absorbing Man, when he acquire Thor’s powers and could not defeat him, he said: “It ain’t fair!!!” “What’s good my strength, my power if I can’t land a blow?”, “I didn’t know it was gonna be like this!!!” The very same thing happened to Warlock, to the Juggernaut (when Thor took his invulnerable force field), Mr. Hyde (Thor#106), also, Pluto and Ares (the god of war) when Thor really cut loose in Blood And Thunder. In addition, Thor outclassed in the strength department, defeated Ares who triple his strength-Thor-#223, and had Ulik on the ropes irrespective of the fact that Ulik augmented his strength several times over, defeated the Android Zotarr-Thor-#238, but the most impressive victory of all was when Thor defeated Grog the god crusher without his powers, super-strength, and being a mortal-Thor-#397. To put it simply, Thor’s skills are simply phenomenal. However, the best testimony of Thor’s power and skills came from the mouth of none other than Captain America. In Thor-#390, Captain America said when he lifted Thor’s hammer, “I’ve never wielded such LIMITLESS POWER before!” “It’s almost intoxicating!” In Avengers-#4 (vol.1), Captain America said, “Thor’s hammer!” “It’s the most AWESOME weapon I’ve ever seen!” Finally, in Avengers-Annual-#18, Captain America stated this about Thor’s skills, “He is an expert combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war.” “His understanding of tactics and strategies ENCOMPASSES the teaching of cultures over several centuries.”Thor also defeated cosmic beings who are smarter than him.Check out Ego’s stats in Marvel Series 3 Cards.

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/1066new_storyimage9937400_full.jpg

Ego has a fighting ability of 7 and an intelligence of 5. 2 things are possible to defeat Ego.

1.A being should be smarter than Ego(w/c is impossible for Thor).

2.A being acted smart & has a superior fighting ability than Ego.

Number 2 is the possible answer on how Thor defeated Ego since he is also equipped w/ a lot of Magical Arsenal.

I know about Superman beating Thor.That can be considered PIS.Still we wont hear Thor saying “I hope I don’t have to find out how strong Superman is” or Hulk saying “I hope I don’t have to find out how strong Superman is.”Contrary to the Marvel Vs DC Card about the Article/Profile on the Hulk by Clark Kent(aka Superman) were he says “I hope I don’t have to find out just how strong.”I smell fear when he said that.

@Everyone

Again, If anyone has any complain on the Marvel Vs DC Cards Article/Profile written by Clark Kent(aka Superman) about the Hulk.Please bring your complain to Clark Kent since he’s the one who wrote the Article/Profile.Not me.In case any one is wondering, Clark Kent wrote the Article/Profile on the Marvel Characters(Heroes & Villains) while Peter Parker(aka Spiderman) wrote the Article/Profile on the DC Characters(Heroes & Villains).

#22 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 6:03 am

In a fight, Superman is better than Thor. Superman has learned from the best in martial arts and many other things. Everyone talk about Thor powers. I really don’t care. Superman survived the Imperiex prime blast so I think he would have no problem at all with blasts from Thor. You know what I don’t get? Why did during the JLA and The Avengers crossover (when Krona started destroying universes and beat Galactus) that Thor gave Mjolnir to Superman and Captain Marvel gave his shield to him too. Which did Thor decided to trust Superman on this one? Is there a reason for that? Maybe Thor knew that Superman would have better chance taking him out. Still, with all these weapons, Superman didn’t managed to get to him. If Thor is way MORE powerful than Superman, he should have been the one going after Krona. Still, I don’t know if that crossover was canon but it’s showing that there is some problems with your arguments.

#23 alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

@Reporter

Clark Kent, will not underestimate a foe from Marvel, that will be bad from Him, Hulk or Thor are not enemies to underestimate.

The Infinite weight, feat, ad shown by Grant Morrison, Implies that Superman and CM are in fact lifting a book with the Multiverse growing inside.

I have demonstrate this over and over again.

It does NOT state that it has infinite weight, but you can rest assured, that if it has the multiverse inside, even if it is a shrunk Multiverse, the end result is the same, EVERY TIME.

So, Superman and CM are in fact LIFTING a book with the multiverse inside. There is no way around it.

Superman, WW and Kyle, also slow the weight of eternity. It never says that eternity weights infinite, it says that eternity weights a lot

Superman and GL wrestled Earth from Starbreaker, Earth is already outside of it’s orbital trench and it is also being pulled by the Sun’s gravity. Superman and GL are trying to save the earth, In the end they succeed.

I will not like to push the infinite book, anymore, because somehow, someway, after it’s being showed that in fact the book has the multiverse inside, because in fact they say it HAS the multiverse inside. People says that is inconsistent with the character.

I don’t see why this feat is inconsistent with the character, when he has done the Starbreaker feat and the Eternity feat. AND SO FAR, NO ONE HAS ANSWERED THIS QUESTION.

The book feat you can take it as a hyperbole, I don’t care, but the starbreaker feat and the eternity feat, there is no way you can call them hyperboles. They are in fact there. and in both Superman is pulling so much more than a single planet. With help, you might say,but is still pretty impressive.
I personally,don’t think WW can lift a planet by herself.
I thik GL speciallt Kyle and Hal can pull a planet by themselves.

This makes the starbreaker and the eternity feats, REALLY impresive.

They are shown against a force heavier than at least 5 planets in the eternity feat, which I believe Eternity, does not weight only 5 planets.

And a force heavier than at least 4 planets in the Starbreaker feat.

4 and 5 are only used to give it a value, but clearly is more than that.

As for Thor vs Superman, on who is a better fighter.

Thor USUALLY goes fist first, AND when he stars loosing He uses his brains.

On to who is a better fighter, that is arguable, Superman took Owlman, Ultraman and Superwoman to school really easy AT THE SAME TIME. On that fight He states that he has learned from Diana and Bruce. Pardon my disbelieve, but I think those two are probably the best teachers in the comic book world.
Diana is much better fighter than Thor, and Batman well you know. On top of being trained By WW and Batman, He practices Kryptonian Martial arts and has at least 1000 years of fighting experience in Asgard, along side DC Thor, which by the way got killed in the war. Plus another 1000 years in the battle with GOG.
So onto who is a better fighter, that is arguably, what is not arguably is that Superman is a SMARTER fighter.

Captain America talking about Thor:

“I’ve never wielded such LIMITLESS POWER before!” “It’s almost intoxicating!”

How many Cosmic weapons has Cap Held on his hands?
This is understandable, because Cap does not have any powers. And that is a given, everybody knows about Mjolnir, that has nothing to do with his skills as a warrior

Captain America said, “Thor’s hammer!” “It’s the most AWESOME weapon I’ve ever seen!”

Same as before

Captain America stated this about Thor’s skills, “He is an expert combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war.” “His understanding of tactics and strategies ENCOMPASSES the teaching of cultures over several centuries.”

Well, he has to learn something after so many years in war, right?, What amazes me the most is that even after so many wars Thor has been in, Captain America, whose only war experience is that of WW2 is a far better tactician and warrior than Thor. Not only that, but it seems to me that HUMAN WAR TACTICS are far better and more advanced that MEDIEVAL GOD WAR TACTICS.

Against Ego.
Mjolnir did most of the work, nuff said

Superman defeating Thor PIS
I have posted this one over and over again.
Busiek, who wrote the story, declared on an interview, that He gave the fight to Superman because He saw Superman more powerful than Thor (Remember this is not OF Thor). He gave the fight to him not because Superman is the flagship character, but because he is more powerful at least on Busiek’s eyes. Prior to that, Busiek was writing the Avengers, so He was well aware of Thor powers and He had a better chance to underestimate Superman Than Thor. BTW Busiek got Superman defeated on his first comic as a JLA writer.
ONE of the main purposes of the Superman vs Thor fight WAS TO PUT AN END ONCE AND FOR ALL, WHO WAS WHO, Between Thor and Superman.
Just to put this in short IT WAS NOT PIS.

“I hope I don’t have to find out just how strong.”
if you smell fear, that is your own interpretation of the sentence, What I see is Clark being as respectful as He usually is, after all Isn’t He the big blue boy scout?

Complain to Clark Kent

Clark, since you were raised by humble farmers and they teach you how to be a humble human, who respects life, people often tend to think you are a wimp and a pussy. They do not understand the values in which you were raised. You respect life so much to the point of not even killing insects. and live and move in a world made out of paper for you. I understand how hard it might be for you, just to move around, But I will like to ask you, Don’t be so humble, people misunderstand Humbleness with fear and nice with lack of power. Next time, just say it as it is. “Hulk? Isn’t that the guy who is weaker than Doomsday?”

Please

Best

Alberto

#24 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

Nice post Alberto.

#25 alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 6:05 am

@ShadowHunter

#26 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

People need to understand that Superman had the greatest instructor of the whole universe. Batman is the best in martial arts and WW is a strong warrior that know how to fight and resist to magic. You know, WW isn’t that weak. I honestly think that PC WW could beat Thor anytime, maybe even Odin Thor. With all the weapons she had from the gods, it wouldn’t be a long fight. She also possesses a sword (forged by Hephaestus) that is sharp enough to cut the electrons off an atom. That would be a good fight.

#27 President Steve says:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

People need to understand that Superman had the greatest instructor of the whole universe. Batman is the best in martial arts and WW is a strong warrior that know how to fight and resist to magic. You know, WW isn’t that weak. I honestly think that PC WW could beat Thor anytime, maybe even Odin Thor. With all the weapons she had from the gods, it wouldn’t be a long fight. She also possesses a sword (forged by Hephaestus) that is sharp enough to cut the electrons off an atom. That would be a good fight.

You do realize that Odin Force Thor at his most powerful is a galaxy buster, right?

#28 Rick says:
March 18th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

LOL, ShadowHunter. Why don’t you just go away? You’re nothing but a fucking troll.

People need to understand that Superman had the greatest instructor of the whole universe. Batman is the best in martial arts and WW is a strong warrior that know how to fight and resist to magic. You know, WW isn’t that weak. I honestly think that PC WW could beat Thor anytime, maybe even Odin Thor. With all the weapons she had from the gods, it wouldn’t be a long fight. She also possesses a sword (forged by Hephaestus) that is sharp enough to cut the electrons off an atom. That would be a good fight.

What does Batman being a martial artist have to do with Superman vs Thor???

What does WW have to do with Superman vs Thor???

In fact, I’d go so far as to say regular Wonder Woman is more powerful than Superman. She’s a much better fighter, has magic weapons that can cut him. Fact is, she usually holds back when they fight…AND she usually gets the better of him anyways.

#29 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

Rick : How much stupid you are. I am only confirming Alberto’s post by saying that Superman had great teachers to know how to fight. Rick, your the Troll here. You think Superman isn’t holding back? Lol, just die, you marvel fanboy.

President : When PC WW did the challenge of the gods, she came back with powers way stronger than you can imagine. She could run as fast as Superman, etc.. (I already made a post about that in the same debate, just go read it). Just go read your crap kid. I don’t see Odin Thor beating Superboy Prime. PC characters were way stronger than the superheroes we know. Because you are stupid and because you can’t read, I’ll give you a list of WW abilites.

That’s her normal abilities :

Superhuman Strength: Granted by Demeter (Goddess of the Earth). Diana is literally as strong as the Earth because of her link to the planet granted to her by Demeter. She is quite possibly capable of lifting anything on Earth. It is obvious her strength is magical in nature, given her height and weight. According to the secret files, Wonder Womans’ strength is second only to beings such Superman and Darkseid. She has godlike strength and also invulnerability due to her aegis-made shield magic bracelets. With her superhuman strength and superior fighting abilities, she has proven to be a match for any of them at one time or another. During the War of the Gods, she was forced to fight and defeated Captain Marvel (Albeit he was not himself and she used her Lasso.). Later she needed and took out the six other members of the Justice League, in Justice League; League of One. This was done in order to save their lives as well as the entire planet. She over-powered and subdued Supergirl without significant effort, suggesting that she is stronger than any Kryptonian female[72]. She is strong enough to lift well over 100 tons with ease.

Superhuman Durability: Granted by Demeter (Goddess of the Earth). High resistance to damage and magical attacks. Her resistance to injury is not quite as great as any of the above mentioned metahumans. However, due to her vast threshold for pain and her amazon ability to heal at a superhuman rate, this easily makes up for the difference. She has withstood considerable bludgeoning damage in the form of hand to hand combat with metahuman opponents (such as Superman and Captain Marvel) and physical damage (as seen when she is knocked back through two multi-story office buildings and then buried beneath them). She has considerable resistance to human weaponries, although there are inconsistancies in her ability to resist injury, the variances are probably due to discrepancies in observation. High powered rifle fire will cause her some pain, but no injury other than minor bruising. She can easily survive under extreme presures, freeze and heat. Born of the clay of Themyscira, and given life and divine powers by the gods themselves, Diana has heightened resistance to magical attacks. She is highly experienced in battling foes who use sorcery as a weapon. As a divine creation herself, she is far-less susceptible to manipulation by magic and mental attack than many of her fellow powerhouse heroes. Her body is also able to survive in extreme environments for long periods of time, like heat, cold, and even outer space, but cannot survive for extremely long periods of time in said environments without oxygen supply.

Flight: Granted by Hermes (God of Messengers). Wonder Woman is capable of unassisted flight through an as yet unknown but probably magical means or through telekenisis. Her aerial maneuverability is not as developed as aerial combatants such as Hawkman or the Black Condor, but she is still a relatively capable aerial combatant as well. Wonderwoman is capable of flying at speeds of at least earth’s orbital velocity (5 miles a second) and even escape velocity.Her top speed is about half the speed of light since she could keep up with Jesse Quick.

Superhuman Speed: Granted by Hermes (God of Messengers). She is able to think, react and move at superhuman speeds. She has been clocked at Mach 5 (hyper-sonic) traveling in flight just over an hour and can be presumed to be much faster when she has to be. Her super-speed, while impressive, is not as comparable to that of the Flash. Since Wonder Woman lacks a speed aura of the fastest speedsters, the environmental effects/disruptions that she causes probably give her the decision sometimes from utilizing superspeed mobility as a common mode of travel. It is unknown how long she can maintain a speedster’s average pace (which we clock at approximately 125 mph (2.08 miles/second) to 200 mph (3.3 mile/sec) innercity and 225 mph (3.75 miles/sec) to 500 mph (8.3 miles/sec) over land outside of cities), though with her superhuman stamina, she can probably last as long as her counterparts, at her level.

Superhuman Reflexes: Granted by Hermes (God of Messengers). Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to speedsters, such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 15 to 20 times normal human reflexes with little concentration. She is able to keep up with Jesse Quick with ease, referencing her patron deity of speed and messenger of the gods, Hermes, as the source of her powers.

Superhuman Agility: Wonder Womans’s agility is far beyond that of even an olympic level athlete. As is her balance and coordination.

Superhuman Stamina: Wonder Woman can last a great deal of time in any fight and with virtually anyone. She has held her own in combat with even a Doomsday clone. She doesn’t tire out like many of her male meta-human counterparts.

Enhanced Healing Factor: Granted by Demeter (Goddess of Earth). Like the Earth, Diana is constantly renewing herself, allowing her to quickly heal at an amazing rate. Her normal regenerative abilities allow her to recover from injury within seconds to minutes. She possesses an incredible immunity from poisons, toxins, as well as disease. In rare cases where she was gravely injured or where another has managed to severely poison her, Diana showed the ability to physically merge with the Earth, causing whatever injuries or poisons to be expelled from her body as she regains shape.

Oneness With Fire: Granted by Hestia (Goddess of the Hearth). Apparently making her a focus of truth.

Empathy: Granted by Athena. (Goddess of Wisdom) “The Sight of Athena” apparently grants her increased insight. (For example, Diana can often detects others’ emotions, and is now so fully immune to Doctor Psycho’s illusions that she usually is not even aware of what illusions he is attempting to project. Apparently most forms of mind control will not work on her either). She can also detect other people’s emotions. Even other high-level telepaths would be unable to read her mind or attack her in such a manner.

* Animal Rapport: Granted by Artemis (Goddess of the Hunt). Ability to communicate with all forms of animals (including dinosaurs) and her presence alone can bring a raging beast to a calm standstill.

Enhanced Senses: Granted by Artemis (Goddess of the Hunt). Eyesight, hearing, taste, touch and smell.

* Superhuman Sight: She also possess the “Hunters Eye” which allows her to always hit her mark. She can see to far greater distances than any normal human. Wonder Woman was briefly blinded, then had her sight restored by Athena. Since then, she has had the sight of Athena.
* Enhanced Smell
* Enhanced Hearing

Dimensional teleportation: On occasion, Wonder Woman can literally leave the planet through meditaion. She did this to rescue Artemis when she was in hell, and has even conversed with the Greek Gods on occasion.
Abilities

Master Combatant: Diana is the finest warrior ever born among the Amazons of Themyscira. She is a master of armed and unarmed combat, proficient with nearly every weapon ever made (especially the bow and the javelin) and the exotic martial arts styles of the Amazons. Batman once remarked that Wonder Woman is the best melee fighter in the world.

Master Tactician and Strategist: Diana is also an accomplished strategist and tactician, trained in the arts of leadership, persuasion and diplomacy, and possesses a great deal of courage as well. She is a gifted leader.

Multi-lingual: Diana has exhibited heightened proficiency with languages, being able to speak her native Themysciran, Ancient and Modern Greek, English, Spanish, Portuguese, French, Mandarin Chinese (she expressed “difficulty” with the tones of Cantonese during an interview with Lois Lane), Russian and Hindi. Plus, through precise muscle control, she can mimic other peoples voices for short conversations (telephone). It is more difficult, (though it can be done), for her to mimic a mans voice than another womans voice.

Wisdom: Granted by Athena (Goddess of Wisdom). Diana possesses great wisdom and intelligence, though the degree varies from author to author. She is among the smartest and wisest members of the Justice League of America, along with the Martian Manhunter and Batman.

Aviation: Expert pilot. Seen flying the Invisible Jet with ease.
Expert Lasso Wielder: Can use the Lasso of Truth as an offensive and defensive weapon.
Strength level

Class 100+; Diana can lift 100 tons effortlessly. Wonder Woman’s physical strength is superhuman to the point where she is second only to beings such as Superman and Darkseid. Her powers continue to grow and manifest,the longer she lives and works in “mans world”. She is capable of lifting well over 100 tons effortlessly and she has been seen to help move objects as large as the Earth itself. Few super-villians have been able to match her capabilties as well. She is obviously, wise given her age. Her amazon training and experience combined with her powers, make her nearly unstoppable.

PC : Originally, Wonder Woman owed her abilities to the goddess Aphrodite creating Amazons superior to men, with Diana being the best of their kind.

The Golden Age Wonder Woman was later updated by Marston to be able to will a tremendous amount of brain energy into her muscles and limbs by Amazon training, which endowed her with extraordinary strength. (Sensation Comics #46, Oct. 1945). (As such it was implied, and ultimately confirmed, that any woman who underwent Amazonian training would gain superhuman strength.) This was later reconfirmed by writer Robert Kanigher in the Silver Age (Wonder Woman v1 #160, Feb. 1966). The TV series took up this notion; “… we are able to develop our minds and physical skills …” ["Fausta: The Nazi Wonder Woman" 1976]; and in the first episode of Super Friends [1973] Diana states to Aquaman “… the only thing that can surpass super strength is the power of the brain”. In early Wonder Woman stories, Amazon training involves strengthening this ability using pure mental energy. Her powers would be removed in accordance with “Aphrodite’s Law” if she allowed herself to be bound or chained by a male.

With the inclusion of Wonder Girl and Wonder Tot in Diana’s back-story, writers provided new explanations of her powers; the character became capable of feats which her sister Amazons could not equal. Wonder Woman Volume One #105, reveals that Diana was formed from clay by the Queen of the Amazons and was imbued with the attributes of the Greek and Roman gods by Athena – “beautiful as Aphrodite, wise as Athena, swifter than Mercury, and stronger than Hercules.” Wonder Woman’s Amazon training also gave her limited telepathy, profound scientific knowledge, and the ability to speak every language known to man and beyond. She was even fluent in caveman and Martian.

Although Wonder Woman’s mythos was returned to its original interpretation between 1966 and 1967, new abilities were added: super breath (to blow jet streams or transform water into snow); ventriloquism; imperviousness to extremes of heat and cold; ride the air currents as if flying; mental telepathy (even to project images); microscopic vision; the ability to vibrate into another dimension, and others which are listed in the Encyclopedia of Comic Book Heroes, Volume Two (1976

Depending on the writer, Diana’s invulnerability and power varied greatly with the story needs. Throughout the late 1950s and early 1960s, Robert Kanigher, for example, portrayed Wonder Woman as being so strong that she, after standing atop her hovering plane and lassoing it with her magic lasso, was able to effortlessly lift Themyscira out of the way of an approaching tsunami using just one hand. Kanigher showed Wonder Woman as able to lift whales as a girl and blowing so hard on her birthday cake as a baby of two years old that she sent it into orbit.

Finally, while not a super power per se, Wonder Woman was able to increase her strength. In the Silver and Bronze ages of comics, she was unable to remove her bracelets without going insane. In times of great need, however, she would do just that in order to temporarily augment her power tenfold. However, with how she was a threat to friend and foe alike, she would use Amazonian berserker rage only as a weapon of last resort.

#30 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

She has weapons too.

Diana has an arsenal of powerful god-forged weapons at her disposal, but her signature weapons are her indestructible bracelets (vambraces) and the Lasso of Truth.

Her bracelets (though technically vambraces, they have only been referred to as such by Batman) were formed from the remnants of Zeus’ legendary shield, the Aegis, at the request of Athena to be awarded to her champion. These forearm guards have thus far proved indestructible, and can absorb the impact of incoming attacks, such as deflecting automatic weapons or energy blasts. Diana can also slam the bracelets together to create a wave of concussive force capable of making Superman’s ears bleed. Recently, she apparently gained the ability to channel Zeus’s lightning through her bracelets as well. The exact nature of this new ability has yet to be fully explained.

The Lasso of Truth, or Lariat of Hestia, was forged by Hephaestus from the golden girdle of Gaea. [38] It is virtually indestructible, The only times it was broken was when truth itself was challenged, such as when she confronted Rama Khan of Jarhanpur, and by Bizarro in Matt Wagner’s non-canonical Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman: Trinity. The Lasso burns with a magical aura called the Fires of Hestia, forcing anyone within the Lasso’s confines to be truthful. It also at one time had the power to force anyone caught to obey any command given them. Diana wields it with great precision and accuracy, and can use it as a whip or noose.

At least as early as the 1950s, Wonder Woman’s golden tiara has also doubled as a dagger and a throwing weapon, returning to her like a boomerang. Its sharpness and mystical nature proved enough to cut even Superman.

Diana once possessed the Sandals of Hermes, or talaria, which granted the wearer great speed and flight. They were passed on, first to Artemis and later to Wonder Girl. Diana also once possessed the Gauntlets of Atlas, which magnify the physical strength and stamina of the wearer. They too were passed on.

The Golden, Silver, and Bronze Age portrayals of Wonder Woman showed her using an invisible airplane that could be controlled by mental commands. It was variously described as being either a creation of Amazon technology, or alternately the legendary winged horse Pegasus transformed into an aircraft. Its appearance varied as well, originally having a propeller and later being drawn as a jet aircraft, resembling a fighter plane.

The Post-Crisis or Modern Age Wonder Woman has continued to use the Invisible Plane in the form of a small lightweight disc of alien (Lansinar) technology that, when triggered by her thoughts, transforms into a transparent version of whatever object or vehicle that is appropriate for her needs. This disc was later shown to be a sentient life-form. Following the One Year Later continuity jump, Diana was given a new invisible plane, created by Wayne Industries, because her original Invisible Plane was stuck on Themyscira.

Diana occasionally uses additional weaponry in formal battle, such as ceremonial golden armor complete with golden wings, war-skirt and chest-plate, and a golden helmet in the shape of an eagle’s head. She also possesses a sword (also forged by Hephaestus) that is sharp enough to cut the electrons off an atom.

#31 President Steve says:
March 18th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

Damn, did I hurt your feelings by saying Wonder Woman would lose. I am beginning to see why Rick insults you. No need to call people stupid just because they don’t think PC Wonder Woman is more powerful than the most powerful skyfather ever.

#32 President Steve says:
March 18th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

Nothing you’ve shown would put her in the same league as a skyfather. Especially one who is stated to be more powerful than the most powerful skyfather. Odin has destroyed entire dimensions, galaxies and sent ripples across the entire universe. He can MAKE magic weapons like WW’s lasso.

#33 ShadowHunter says:
March 18th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

Who win? Superboy Prime or Odin Thor? I already know your answer AND I WANT PROOFS. Don’t bring up : Thor has ODIN! IT DESTROYS UNIVERSE! SO DID ANTI MONITOR!

#34 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

WW has always been under rated. But she is a really strong superhero. Maybe, because she is a woman.

I don’t know any superhero woman as powerful as WW, Except for Supergirl, Maxima, Jeniffer and maybe Wanda. I’m not counting Phoenix.

WW usually defeats Ares. Ares is no small God. and that is in modern times. I can see WW defeating Hercules.

But when it comes to a PC kryptonian VS OF Thor. There is no contest at all. Hands down, I’ll choose a PC SUPERMAN. Odin may be able to destroy galaxies, PC Superman snuff them out. NO CONTEST THERE.

This is an objective statement, based on what I have seen of PC SUPERMAN VS ODIN.

One thing that I will like to point out. I have not seen OF THOR portrayed as powerful as his dad, that is why I don’t see impresive feats. Other than willing the moon back ans sutur to nothingness. This feats are magical in essence, and seeing a magical beings willing something is a thing of everyday. That is why it does not look that impresive, however assuming that Thor indeed had the full force of Odin, is easy to assume that He was at least as powerful as his dad.
Too bad the writters Do not know how to display that type of power. and that is why it gives the impresion that He is not all that.
Even the feat of OF Thor killing everyone can be matched in Curent Superman scans. But that is not the point. The point is that the writters do not know how to handle a character with OF and put him strugling with a blast that could shatter earth.
This should never happen with the real ODIN.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Thor/Thor_600_031.jpg?t=1260217413

#35 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Thor/Thor_600_030.jpg?t=1260217446

#36 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

Now for those who claim, that Thor as a fighter is even better than Cap.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Thor/ThorBloodOath402.jpg?t=1260217545

Are you aware, that Herc is using a fighting style called Greco-Roman style? Yep, the same they teach at High school. Thor is getting bested by a guy using Greco-Roman fighting style!!!

What is deadlier Batman’s style or Herc style?

#37 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

BTW, Thor won in the end, but not with his fist

#38 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

Correction is not “sutur” Mangog

#39 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

@Rick

“What does Batman being a martial artist have to do with Superman vs Thor???

What does WW have to do with Superman vs Thor???”

You shouldn’t be doing those questions here kid.

After all what does Mexico City being dirty has anything to do with the whole argument.

Shadows point has a relation with the topic.

Superman learned from Batman and WW, THAT is the relation.

But since most of the time you are trolling, you don’t see hte points here.

I actually wonder, why is it that you have never answered how old are you?

My guess is that you are between 12 and 17 maybe 18

What is it kid?

#40 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

@Zeromage

Zeromage wrote:

“First we excluded all super villains, this is heroes only, next we eliminated all exorbitantly overpowered cosmic beings (Phoenix, Odin, or the Highfather). And finally we ignored all heroes that would be considered ‘normal’ but have similar powers as those listed below.”

Question 1:

Is the Thor on this list Full Odin Force Thor? or is He Plot device Odin Force Thor as seen in his fight against RULK?

Which pretty much puts him, close to his regular level, except for a few extra powers.

Zeromage wrote:

“Before Thor inherited the Odinforce, the super powers of these two heroes were a little more even. Now there is absolutely no contest.”

Question 2:

Why when you make the Superman vs Thor forum You match Superman against a OF Thor? That seems to me that YOU wanted Thor to win and tried to give him as much advantage as you could. If is FULL OF Thor He should not even be considered for this topic.

Why you did not match FULL ODIN FORCE THOR, VS PC SUPERMAN, SUPERMAN ONE MILLION OR THOUGHT ROBOT SUPERMAN?

#41 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

1

#42 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

Yes, I have a gravatar

#43 President Steve says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

Yeah, I need to get one myself. I’ve been meaning to.

#44 President Steve says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

One thing is I think we can count all of Odin’s feats for Odin Force Thor, since Thor has been stated many times to be MORE powerful than Odin when he has FULL ODIN FORCE.

#45 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

@President Steve

Still at those levels of power adding Thor Power to the mix it will be like incresing it 10%?

And Odin feats are Odin’s, We assume that Thor MAY be able to replicate them.

#46 President Steve says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

well, not even 10%…also consider, thor hasn’t had the odin force for as long as odin…so im sure he’s not used to using it…and learning new abilities all the time.

#47 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

How is that FULL OF THOR is more powerful than his dad?

Why, and how much more powerful?

Are You assuming that FULL OF THOR can snuff out galaxies, juggle planets and pull 100 planets with out any effort?

and most important, does he poesseses Super-Eeaving and Super-Kiss?

#48 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

How is that FULL OF THOR is more powerful than his dad?

Why, and how much more powerful?

Are You assuming that FULL OF THOR can snuff out galaxies, juggle planets and pull 100 planets with out any effort?

and most important, does he poesseses Super-Weaving and Super-Kiss?

#49 Alberto says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

“well, not even 10%…also consider, thor hasn’t had the odin force for as long as odin…so im sure he’s not used to using it…and learning new abilities all the time”

Wait a second here. Doesn’t he has only a little bit of OF left? which is pretty much plot device OF?

Didn’t He spent most of the OF repairing Mjolnir?

#50 President Steve says:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

Yeah, currently, he has very little left. But even when he had it, we can’t assume he was very knowledgable or skilled with it. (having had it for a very short amount of time). He kept losing more and more it during the JMS arc. Marvel luckily realized that no one would want to read a comic book about a skyfather.

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