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The Mighty Thor and Superman are the heavy-hitters of Marvel and DC respectively, each of them arguably the most powerful hero in their respective universes. So its natural that this is without question the most discussed versus debate amongst comic book fans. No other versus battle comes close to being talked about as much than this one. Try to start a “Superman vs Thor” thread on any forum and the first response is sure to be: “Not this again”.

Some of you may remember our “Top 10 Most Powerful Superheroes” list that we released a while back, where we made the controversial claim that Thor was the most powerful superhero of all time (Superman coming in at number three on that list). Months later we are still receiving emails either agreeing with us, or flaming us for that decision. Many fans cite Superman’s speed as the deciding factor in any fight between the two behemoths. Other emails claim that Thor’s magical powers would be enough to stop the man of steel in his tracks. So, the natural question is, do we still stand by our claim that Thor is more powerful than Superman? The answer is still “yes.” In this article we’ll break down the seven most common arguments and give you our take on them.

1. Super Strength

The claim has often been made that Superman is stronger than Thor. Many times on versus forums threads this claim is accepted as a given by both sides of the debate. We don’t concede that the Man of Steel is physically stronger than the god of thunder though. Thor has performed feats such as lifting the World Serpent, and once hurled the Odinsword, an enormous mystical blade, through a Celestial! Thor has also single-handedly matched the strength of the Hulk on numerous occasions (the Marvel Universe’s strongest character). Not only that but Thor is capable of entering into a state known as the “Warrior’s Madness”, which will temporarily increase his strength tenfold. Some of these feats have no true equivalent in the DC universe. We think at the very least, the two character’s physical strength is equal.

2 . Super Speed

This is Superman’s one true advantage in this fight. Superman is fast. We’re talking warp speed fast. We’re talking once around the entire planet and back before you can blink fast. You could easily make the argument that Thor would be lucky if he even saw Superman before he got pounded. But is Thor as slow as everyone seems to think? Unknown to many DC fanboys Thor can throw his hammer at the speed of light (See Thor#140, Thor#274). He can also swing it at TWICE the speed of light (Journey Into Mystery#102). In Thor -#393- it’s established that the speed of Thor’s hammer TRANSCENDS both TIME & SPACE. In addition Thor can appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166). And, most importantly, Thor could, visually, detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire- see Invaders#33- and Avengers-#281- when he saw the speedy Hermes. And yes, I do need a life). Now if we accept that Superman can move at 99% of the speed of light, and that Thor can swing his hammer at twice the speed of light, it stands to reason that big blue is in some trouble. It’s true that Thor doesn’t use his super speed abilities often, but how many times have you seen Superman not use his super speed when he should have?

3. Stanima

Who can take more punishment, Thor or Superman? This is a difficult question. Thor has withstood a blast from Asgardian Destroyer. Superman has withstood a direct hit from a nuclear bomb. Thor has taken everything the Hulk could dish out. Thor also once took a glancing hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion he fell from space (leaving a crater miles wide) to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Thor has also taken everything that Gladiator (an arguably more powerful version of Superman) could dish out. Both characters have come back from the dead a couple of times. In my mind this one is a draw. Both characters have approximately the same stanima. The difference is Superman has weaknesses (i.e. Kryptonite, Magic, and the fact he is powerless without yellow sunlight) whereas Thor pretty much doesn’t.

4. Magic

Even the most diehard Superman fan would concede that Thor’s magical abilities would be an advantage for Thor. First, I would like to note that just because an opponent can wield magic, it in no way guarantees a win over the last son of Krypton. Superman has defeated countless magic users in the past, and so I have no illusions that just because Thor has magic powers and a magic hammer that he would automatically own Superman. That being said magic is just as lethal against Supes as kryptonite. Superman has no defense against it, and it can affect him greatly. Superman getting pounded by Mjolnir is the same as you and me getting pounded by a normal hammer. And consider the guy who’s swinging it. It’s Thor. The god of thunder. Not only that, but Thor’s lightning is magical too. Remember that just a single lightning bolt is equivalent to 15,000,000 volts of electricity and could travel over 224,000 miles an hour. The clear advantage here goes to Thor.

5. Super Powers

Before Thor inherited the Odinforce, the super powers of these two heroes were a little more even. Now there is absolutely no contest. Thor has a clear edge over Superman here. His magical hammer gives Thor the ability to control the weather, the ability to fly; energy projection and absorption; dimensional apertures; matter manipulation, as well as the most powerful of his offensive powers: the God Blast, and the Anti-Force. Superman is no push over in this department either, with the already mentioned super strength, super speed, as well as heat vision, x-ray vision, enhanced senses, and the ability to blow hurricane force winds from his mouth. But what is that compared to being able to summon an actual hurricane? Not only that but with the Odinforce Thor was then capable of feats such as reconstructing the Earth’s Moon,willing the Asgardian monster Mangog into nothingness, and by focusing his entire power into a hammer throw that even decapitated a Desak-occupied Asgardian Destroyer. Having accepted his heritage as the son of the earth goddess Gaea, he has recently been shown to be capable of opening chasms in the earth itself, and who knows what other abilities he’ll be displaying now that he’s done that.

6. Superman beat Thor in the Avengers / DC Crossover

I don’t want to spend much time on this one. Most fans of comics know how much weight we should give to crossovers. Besides, I personally have no doubt that Superman would beat Galactus in a crossover. He’s DC’s flagship character after all. Enough said on that one.

7. Thor has Thousands of Years of Combat Experience

This is a common argument used by Thor fans to claim that Thor would take down Superman. It seems fairly obvious. If I somehow gained super powers and a Viking Warrior somehow gained the exact same or nearly equivalent powers, most people would put their money on the Viking if we fought each other. Now imagine the Viking warrior was thousands of years older than me, and had been using his powers for all those thousands of years to battle trolls, giants, demons, robots, aliens, and gods, and I have only been using my powers for 20-30 years. It seems clear to me that the Viking Warrior god has a clear cut advantage over me in a fight. Again advantage Thor.

It seems obvious to me that Thor has a clear advantage over Superman in a fight. I don’t think that Thor is so powerful that there is no way that Superman could ever defeat him. But I believe that the majority of the time Thor would beat Superman in a one on one fight, assuming its not a fight to the death. If it is a fight to the death, then I think Thor would almost invariably win. So there you have it, the definitive answer to one of the most talked about and controversial debates in comic book nerdom. Brought to you by your pals at Old-Wizard.com.

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#1 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 12:44 am

@SonOfOdin

I want to respect your point of view, but while sometimes you show a flare of intelligence, most of the time you are just a brute.

Your reasoning of “THOR SHOULD WIN, BECAUSE HE IS A GOD” has no validity and is utterly stupid in a Comic Fantasy World, In which anything can happen.

Seriously I believe your mentality is comparable to a VIKING living in the middle ages, where only a Genius can become Doctor, and Gods cannot be defeated. Well compared to your intelligence level, ANY person with a GED is a genius on your eyes.

Your name is the one of the most biased names on the web site, and only could be surpassed, by “Delta-hater” or “Thor’s bitch”

Your wishful thinking is really cute at times. like a 5 year old wishing to meet ET.

The way I see it, The fight of Thor VS Superman it will be the equivalent of Rocky fighting Mr.T on the second battle, while Thor packs a punch Superman’s speed, durability and equality of punch. Will give the fight to Superman.

#2 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 12:44 am

@Everybody

Like I said, I do not need to convince anyone of the canonical value of the comic, The people that matters, already have acknowledge the evidence at lest as compelling and a lot have accepted it as canon.

Zero is not already said, He is not going to take it account, because Superman being a Flagship character.

Worth to mention Superman was getting owned by Venom and it did not matter his flagship status, on the Access crossovers.
Thor was defeated by a NON- flagship character in the JLA/ AVENGERS crossover and also was defeated by Superman.

ONE of the reasons of why this comic was made, IT WAS TO PUT AN END, ONCE AND FOR ALL, WHO WILL WIN.
Both companies HAVE to approve the writer and the artist

Kurt Busiek was no chump, when He wrote the story, He had at least a 4 YEAR run on the Avengers and knew Thor very well, He had more chances of mistreating Superman at the time. For those who might say that Busiek mistreated Thor, He also mistreated Superman and the first thing He did as soon as He took over JLA was to get Superman defeated by Ultraman in “our” universe, so that argument is not valid.

For those claiming that Busiek is another Greg Pak, Just let me tell you this, Pak did not do anything NEW with the Hulk, He just Hyped the Book, all of the Hulk feats during the WWH Were done before, and the only actual big feat of the Pak era , was Hulk stalemating the Sentry and nothing else. So claiming that Busiek is another Pak, HYPING THE BOOK, Is also not going to work,

Now back to the book, IT WAS TO PUT AN END, ONCE AND FOR ALL, WHO WILL WIN.

IT WAS NOT FAN VOTED

IT WAS WRITTEN BY A PERSON WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN BOTH UNIVERSES

AND MOST IMPORTANT, THE WRITER AND THE STORY WAS APPROVED BY BOTH COMPANIES.

Remember the original JLA/AVENGERS did not happen, because of this problem. They never agree on it.

So MARVEL AGREE ON THOR GETTING DEFEATED BY SUPERMAN and DC agree on stating that the next fight could be on Thor’s favor

MARVEL AND DC ALSO AGREED ON CAPTAIN AMERICA, BEING CAPABLE OF DEFEATING BATMAN.

They also agreed on the basic differences between the Universes and How DC heroes are generally stronger, but also point at that because of Marvel Heroes are generally less powerful have to fight harder and thus it making their actions more admirable.

Marvel also agreed on Firestorm and Red Tornado, defeating Thor and Vision

Now, Thank GOD. Superman did not lost the fight, Because if that have been the case, I would not have any justifications like Superman getting defeated by a flag ship character, because Thor is not a flagship character and I will be clinging for dear life, that this comic is not canon.

Now, let me see if I understand Duke’s logic here I have 13 references of this comic being canon in which Kurt Busiek thinks Superman can defeat Thor, plus The comic is approved by both companies, in this case harder to approve because is 2 companies not one, VS 1 Measly reference from WIKI showed by a guy who has NO weight or authority whatsoever in the Comic Book World

WHICH ONE WILL BE THE RIGHT ONE?

The answer is obvious to me and to anyone with half a brain and is not a fanboy

PS.

Speed-blitzing is not the same as speed, Silver Surfer’s are feats of speed not speed blitzing, I have never seen the Surfer punching an opponent form every angle and everywhere at the same time like Flash or Superman.

Peace

#3 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 12:54 am

@Duke

I guess you have been made look like an idiot, by a “beaner”.

13 examples vs 1

WOW!!!

You are a joke, and any person with a lille bit of comon sense can see it.
Plus Busiek expertise on the matter is more than enough, to prove, that you are wrong. And that in fact Superman can defeat Thor. at least on the eyes of people that ACTUALLY matter, NOT YOU.

Next time, I’ll use more lubricant, so your ass is not sore when I’m done with you.

Peace

#4 Delta says:
March 13th, 2010 at 1:08 am

I know the DC VERSUS MARVEL and sequel crossovers were canon during their time, but I heard they were retconned due to JLA/AVENGERS. Something about Kurt Busiek saying that they weren’t familiar with each other was one showing of the previous encounters not being canon.

Also, Steve, for you to say if you consider one crossover means all should be canon is a very, very bad argument. For one, most crossovers don’t have references to make them canon. Some are up in the air, and others are out-right stated to be out of continuity. I mean, how can you argue that the Batman/Captain America crossover from the 90’s is canon if JLA/AVENGERS is canon, when it had Batman and Robin as operating during WWII? It was out-right stated to be an ELSEWORLDS.

#5 alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

You are right Delta
Tha Access crossover were retcon and Busiek did not want to use the character.
I think he did a great job, explaining the differences between the two universes

#6 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

Personally, I think Superman is more powerful than Thor. But the Silver Surfer is much more powerful than either of them. Superman vs Thor all comes down to speed and strength. Superman is at least 10 times stronger than Thor. And so much faster that its ridiculous. I think durability-wise it is fairly even.

Also, in regards to the Silver Surfer not having combat speed, all I can say is “WHAT THE FUCK?” If someone can react in less than a nano-second to something, that’s FTL reaction time. Now, combine that with the fact that we know he can search the entire surface of the Earth for someone in less than a second, (that is not a straght line speed feat) and we have a good idea that Surfer has FTL combat speed. Now, add in to that fact that he ATTACKED every capital city of Earth in less than a second, and the case is air tight. What more evidence do you need that the Surfer has super combat speed? Are you claiming his combat speed is the same as someone like Captain America? It seemed like that guy Alberto claimed Captain America has GREATER combat speed than the Surfer. Are you really that delusional?

It will always amaze me how some people can see all the evidence for something right in front of their eyes, and still can’t believe it. What do you need to see on panel to accept that the Surfer can move FTL in combat? I’ve seen more convincing evidence for Surfer having combat speed than Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter or even Captain Marvel.

#7 President Steve says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

Delta, I think you misunderstood me. That’s not what I believe at all. I was pointing out that that was the logical conclusion to Alberto’s argument. He is arguing that since Wanda knows about Chaos magic, that the Avengers/JLA crossover is canon. Well, it seems one could make that same argument for any Marvel/DC crossover. In other words, assuming she is talking about chaos magic from DC, it just proves that she knows of the existence of the DC universe. Not one particular crossover.

#8 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

@Mike

No, I was just showing the scan of Cap dodging Thanos attacks and Surfer failing to retrieve the gauntlet from someone who cannot even punch Cap.

Spiderman also has been able to dodge Silver Surfer PUNCHES in the past.

I think Surfer has a great deal of speed, meaning as in acceleration and velocity, He is also shows a great deal of maneuverability, but I have NEVER seen the guy hyper speed punching or attacking someone. Like the Flash or Superman often do.

Now, Cap dodging Thanos attacks, while Thanos is using the Power Gem, it means Thanos reflexes were duplicated by the gem and still, He was not able to land a single punch on Cap and yet his reflexes were fast enough to avoid the Surfers attempt to snatch the gauntlet form Thanos.

How do you and I explain that. I have no fucking idea.

While in theory, Surfer should be able to react at light speed meaning light speed reflexes, He often fails to show this ability and like Delta and Zero said, He is very inconsistent.

#9 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

Alberto, how do you explain the scans of Surfer ATTACKING every capital city of earth in less than a second? How is that not a speed attack?

#10 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

Lets see

If I agree and accept Supermans inhability to handle Venom at the time of the access crossovers.

Will anyone agree that Superman defeated Thor fair and square in the ONLY POSSIBLE way they can fight?

Plus Me accepting the defeat of Superman at Venom’s hands, also implies, that, the STATUS OF FLAGSHIP CHARACTER, does not matter in this crossovers.
Threfore it means Superman won the fight against Thor.

Plus the fact that Thor and Vision were defeated by non flagship characters Firestorm and Red Tornado, it means that the status of flagship character wining, was not applied in this particular crossover. and that the results as everybody knows of Venom vs Superman and Superman vs Thor were not FAN VOTED.

Anyway I see it, Superman wins in the end

#11 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

What does that have to do with anything? I was talking about the Silver Surfer. And didn’t I already say Superman would beat Thor? You need to try out some medication, dude.

#12 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

@Mike

I think you missundertand what Delta is trying to show you, and maybe, I need to show you some scans, so you can understand what he is talking about, when he reffers to combat speed, not just speed

#13 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

@Mike

Remember, posts take some time to appear and while you are writting an answer to somebody 2 or 3 post can appear before yours

#14 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

Explain to me how ATTACKING every city on earth in less than a second isn’t combat speed. I just one that one issue explained.

#15 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

Notice the word “attacking” in there.

#16 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

I don’t need anyone to explain combat speed to me. Can you show me a scan of Captain Marvel using combat speed?

#17 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

Believe me I think Captain Marvel has combat speed, to claim the surfer doesn’t is preposterous.

#18 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

@Mike

Wow!wow!wow!

Slowdown Dude, I have things to do right now, I’ll check back later and try to show you some scans

#19 Jesse says:
March 13th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

I would imagine Thor beating Superman only about 55% of the time, and everyone of their bouts being tremendously close. I’m more of a Thor fan, however I don’t have a hard time believing Busiek’s version of a Superman/Thor battle. In the end, its the writer’s job to sell a fight; the dynamic of the Superman/Thor fight was pretty much blow for blow until Busiek had Thor try to walk through Superman’s heat vision (some could argue that Busiek was down playing Thor’s battle intelligence here– I agree, but whatever). Having incurred significant damage from Superman’s heat vision, Superman puts him down via brutal hay maker punch.

I think that it would have been completely believable if Thor had struck Superman with a slew of lightning bolts (of course, we all know that Thor’s lightning is magical in essence) and put Supes down in a similar fashion. In fact, I thought it was a little weird that Busiek didn’t utilize this, Thor’s most effective ranged attack.

Some people would probably argue that Superman is too fast to get hit with a Thor lightning bolt but I seriously doubt that fans would be screaming “NO! Nuh-uh, Superman would never be hit by something as slow as a lightning bolt!!!” I could have totally seen Superman falling to continuous lightning strikes and then Thor putting him down for good. Just my opinion.

#20 Jesse says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

In fact, as it applies to Busiek’s Superman/Thor bout, I would think that lightning bolts from Thor would be more damaging to Superman than Superman’s heat vision was on Thor. Furthermore, I don’t think that there is better suited offensive projectile in comics (that a flagship character often utilizes) than Thor’s lightning to hurt Superman.

Yes Superman has probably had millions of volts of electricity pour through his body (Delta can probably get some scans of that) and has withstood extremely high temperatures (look no further than him flying Prime through the red kyrptonian sun) but we have to remember that not only is lightning both hot and charged, but Thor’s lightning is magic.

I don’t think Storm summoning lightning would be anywhere near as damaging to Superman (if she could hit him) than if it were projected from Thor.

#21 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

I believe, Busiek’s interpretation of the fight was pretty well done, While there could be a thousand ways to do the fight, He only had one shot at it. So He really have to give his best interpretation of the fight.

I think that Thor will try to walk through Superman’s heat vision, because that is the kind of fighting style he usually shows.
Thor is the kind of guy, who fights head on, and rarely displays a different approach to an enemy.

While Superman is not invulnerable to magical thunder, there is nothing to prove that magical thunder moves faster than light. Superman sees natures thunder in slow motion while he is moving at super-speed.

If somehow Thor is able to connect continuous lightning strikes against Superman, then I can see Thor defeating Superman.
Superman’s biggest problem against Thor is magic.

The biggest problem for Thor is Superman’s speed, even if Thor is able to throw Mjolnir at him, Superman can out run it.

Is there anyone who disagrees that Superman can outrun Mjolnir?

#22 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

@Mike

The only thing I found of Captain Marvel blitzing

http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=ed1f7_capbolt_obsidian.jpg#

#23 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

@Mike

But Delta means something like this:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9451/588184fncrcv7largetm4.jpg

#24 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

@Mike

or this:

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/91/l_52115a322d044f75b865b71957a50356.jpg

#25 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

@Mike

or this one too:

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/26/l_9096a3cbb1524dfc890f296c06564352.gif

#26 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

So those examples will be combat speed.

The other one will be Speed attack?
I seriously don’t know, but I can see a difference between the two of them.

While similar, they are not the same.

#27 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

Alberto, read this comment really slowly, so that you can understand it.

How is the Silver Surfer attacking every capital city on the earth in less than a second not a feat of combat speed? If he can do that to the entire earth, he can attack superman multiple times in less than a second as well?

Yes or no?

#28 alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

I guess if We go for black and white definitions it is, but clearly this is not the same as punching your opponent 2,000 times in a second.

While I have seen Superman and Flash doing similar things like the Surfer, I have never seen the Surfer moving his articulations as fast as Superman or the Flash.

On the contrary, I have seen that his articulations are rather slow compared to the speed He gets on his board.

That is the difference

#29 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

Clearly, if someone can attack every capital city on the entire planet earth in less than a second, has nano-second reaction times, can fly across GALAXIES in less than a second, and can search the entire earth in less than a second, I’m sure he can punch someone 2,000 times in a second. He can also see subatomic particles moving at FTL millions of light years away. Is it such a stretch for you to admit he has super fast combat speed?

Its quite obvious he can attack Superman as fast as Superman can attack him. Its also quite obvious that given the fact that he has nano-second reaction times, and can see subatomic particles moving at FTL speeds that are light years away, its fair to say that he can easily keep track of, and match any speed Superman has been shown to attack at.

#30 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

No. It is not clear.

While on theory he should be able, he has never shown those abilities in the books, on the contrary, more often than not He seems, quite slow compared to street level characters.

Why? I have no Idea.

This is why Surfer is so inconsistent.

He sould have light speed reflexes, but he does not. The only example that is actually pretty god is the nano second reaction scan, but how do you explain the fact that He was not able to snach The gauntlet from Thannos or land a SINGLE punch on Spiderman, WHEN “CLEARLY” he should?

#31 alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

I have to agree on something.

On theory, Silver Surfer should be more Powerful than Superman or Thor.

But that is only on theory, on practice is a different story.

#32 Delta says:
March 13th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

Wow, things were surprisingly slow here while I was gone. I’ll have to respond to more posts later, but I thought I’d respond to Steve.

Point taken on the crossover thing, Steve. I was mostly skimming through Alberto’s posts since he wasn’t the one I was arguing with.

#33 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

@Delta

Thigs are slow here, because Duke is still sore and he hasn’t show up since

I agree that Wanda could be refering to any other crossover, but MOST of the evidence points at JLA/AVENGERS.

I’m still looking for more conclusive evidence.

But I may or might not find it

#34 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

@Mike

This is what happen when you actually don’t pay attention to the story (I’m talking about me)

Look the panel says:

“within seconds, almost every capital city on earth is visited by the silvery, streaking surfboard and its sky-born master”

Now, it does not say that “the Surfer attacked every capital city on earth in a second”

This is different of what you stated, he was not attacking, he is just steaking arround the globe.

THIS IS NOT COMBAT SPEED, IS ONLY SPEED.

#35 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

And of course the scan came from RETARD DUKE

Duke’s post:

“Surfer travels to nearly every capital city on Earth and attacks it in a matter of seconds:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1483/silversurfer0105mo5.jpg

HOW IS THAT NOT COMBAT SPEED??????”

DUKE you are a RETARD and you accuse me of bad english

Duke you are really a STUPID.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, YOU ARE PATHETIC

#36 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 12:16 am

I guess the new name for Duke is “douche”, right douche?

#37 Mike says:
March 13th, 2010 at 12:20 am

Read the whole comic, dumbass.

#38 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 12:39 am

Well Einstein

That is what the scan states, and THAT IS THE EVIDENCE!!!

Scan the whole fucking thing and post it. So you prove your point, dumbass

#39 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 12:55 am

This is a Superman ridiculous feat

He trows his own blood, so fast, that He cracks a blade tempered in magic.

Notice WW states the Blade is Tempered in magic

and there is proof of the blood craking the handle of the blade.

This scan shows what I’m stating.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/spww21eo0wy.jpg?t=1257382086

Right DOUCHE?, I MEAN DUKE

#40 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

Here is what Kurt Busiek himself had to say about this “Thrilla in…Metropolis”:

“I think Batman’s a very good fighter, but he’s very good at other things, too. Cap is more of a specialist — he’s The World’s Greatest Fighting Machine, to use his old tagline, while Batman is The World’s Greatest Detective. If the mission was finding the Maltese Falcon, I’d bet on Batman. If it’s a brawl, I’d bet on Cap….That they’re both so good they can recognize consummate skill even through only a few movements, and smart enough to admit it and focus on the real threat.”

Superman vs. Thor: Following the same logic he followed with Batman and Captain America, what path would these two powerhouses take? They would duke it out, and Busiek delivered and with a definite winner. Of course with a definite ending comes one faction berating the writer for an inaccurate depiction of their favorite hero. Busiek did post that this was not the Odinforce powered Thor, however.

Editorial: I am a Marvelite at heart, and I like Thor. So it did pain me to see Thor go down. However, in the depths of my heart, I knew this was the way it should turn out. Not because Superman is THE icon, but because even a post-Crisis Superman would win. Many will bring up Thor’s ability to create vortexes and all of the other neat tricks Mjolnir can do, but Thor’s history is to head in fist and hammer first, and unless he is on the ropes, Thor rarely utilizes his other abilities. I did find Superman’s recognition of Thor as maybe his single greatest opponent an appeasement in light of Superman having died at the hands of Doomsday.

Here is what Kurt Busiek himself had to say about this “Rumble in the Jungle”:

“As for Superman and Thor, it’s like he said — where he comes from, the dials go up to eleven. Superman is stronger and faster, which is probably more about the scales of power in the universe he comes from, but it was enough to let him win a very tough battle. If they fought again tomorrow, it might go the other way. Since being more powerful doesn’t make you a better character, I don’t see it as a slight on Thor, just as the way things are…”

#41 Alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

Now just to end this debate on the JLA/AVENGERS canonical value.

The events WITHIN the miniseries are referenced by MARVEL in the “Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Fantastic Four 2005″ (in the “Galactus” profile-bios) and in the “Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: A to Z” (in the “Grandmaster” profile-bios) even though JLA is not mentionated (for copyright problems).

Besides, Tom Breevort confirmed the canonical of “JLA/Avengers” on ComixFan Message Board (in 2006).

Who is Tom Breevort? You might ask:
Tom Brevoort is Executive Editor for Marvel Comics As of 2007, he holds the title of Executive Editor with Marvel and is responsible for multiple series including New Avengers, Civil War, and Fantastic Four.

End of discusion. Period

#42 Ernest Manigo, Jr. says:
March 13th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

Superman defeats Thor. Superman is the strongest superheroe. Superman is as fast as The Flash. Having the strength of Superman and the speed of the Flash defeats all superheroes. Silver Surfer is the only problem and may defeat Superman. Silver Surfer may not actually qualify to be on the list of Super heroes. The power cosmic may put him on the level with The Elders or a young Watcher. Nevertheless, Superman moving at Flash level speed cannot be seen and actually places him in more than one place at one time! Doomsday was defeated by Superman. Niether Superman nor Doomsday died. Doomsday was the experiment that led to the physiology of the modern Kryptonian so Superman actual can’t be defeated the same way twice either and is a “better” Doomsday. He just always holds back even though he often stated he’ll “let go”. If Thor fought Darksied, He’d lose just as Thanos has always defeated Thor. Superman would destroy both.

To be fair, Superman has a super mind. If Batman trained Superman to fight all martial art styles and Flash showed superman how to use his superspeed optimally, and Wonder Woman showed him how to use his Heat vision, freeze breath and flight more effectively, NO ONE WOULD DEFEAT HIM.

He can block nd avoid kryptonite with his heat vision, freeze breath and flight powers. He can avoid magic influence with super speed by knocking out foes before they can flinch.

Understand this people?

#43 you says:
March 13th, 2010 at 1:51 am

Yalls need to get a life stop doing this and get a house and get a girlfriend geez…

#44 alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

Someone who says “Yalls” should not give advices.

Unless the advice is to learn how to use slang “properly”

#45 President Steve says:
March 13th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

Who cares what Busiek says? Did you know Greg Pak says that the Hulk is the most powerful character in all of Marvel? Writers are fanboys too.

#46 President Steve says:
March 13th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

Also, if you look back in the comments, Odinson has shown us plenty of examples in scans that completely contradict what you said about Thor never using other powers. I can also provide even more than that. Thor’s energy manipulation rivals that of the Surfer (with the Odinforce he was by far the superior of the Silver Surfer). In fact without the Odinforce, he has held his own with energy manipulation against the Surfer, and defeated him.

On an interesting side note, I am curious as to what Delta thinks about this question: Is Odin more powerful than Galactus if we look at feats? I’ve always wondered about this question. A case can certainly be made for Odin being above Galactus, though I’m not sure I buy it. I realize that it should be an open and shut case here that Galactus trumps Odin, but Odin has destroyed Galaxies.

Galactus’ demonstrations of power are no greater than Odin’s, and often inferior in some cases.

There is no actual demonstration in existence involving Galactus destroying galaxies, positive proof, nor concrete evidence thereof. One impressive feat from Galactus though is a battle with Agamotto in Agamotto’s own realm, and his battling of and defeating of Mephisto in his own realm via threatening to absorb it after neither could gain an advantage in combat. Worth noting is that in his battle with Mephisto, Galactus did successfully destroy a myriad of planets in his efforts. He fought and stalemated the In Betweener in a joke of a confrontation, which Galactus seemed to gain the upper hand in with a judo toss, as he apparently took lessons from Captain America somewhere down the line. Galactus defeated the Sphinx rather casually, crushing the Kaa Stone in his hand as if it were nothing. Casual stuff like teleporting galaxies and devolving Hercules into protoplasma, and creating immensely powerful heralds may be considered as well, but the ones above are mainly his top feats.

Odin has matched all of those feats, as well as surpassed them some areas. He has, with definitive certainty, destroyed entire galaxies in his battles with Seth in an effort that shook the entire universe and tore at the very fabric of the multiverse. He rattled across the entire universe in his battle with Forsung, which blew away planets like dry sand castles, and created heat so intense entire burning stars were created in its wake, as they blew each other to the ends of the universe. Odin battled Infinity in a confrontation that could be seen as far away as from Earth (Earth was just about destroyed), as the very laws of physics were being warped across the entire Unviverse. Casual stuff such as teleporting all the people of Earth to another dimension, creating powerful artifacts, wiping out populations, creating a realm complete with false gods, waving his hand over a regular apple and giving the apple the power to warp reality over entire planets, or shattering the Sword of Doom can also be considered.

These aren’t all Silver Age feats either. JIM #513, which contains Odin’s last galaxy busting performance with Seth, hit the shelves in 1997, making the Silver age argument silly.

However. Even more recently, Odin showed up and told Thor that he had the power to shake the entire universe. I’d say that was figurative if Odin hadn’t already done it before.

It should be noted that Thor with the Odinforce has been stated on panel to be much more powerful than Odin. And with the power of the Runes, he was even more powerful than that to the point of being virtually omnipotent.

#47 alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

@President.

The only difference between Pak and Busiek is that:

Pak was just talking and He could not put it into practice. He “claimed” that WWH version of Hulk was the strongest version of them all, that he was the strongest in Marvel and that He was even stronger than Superman.

He said that, in an interview to hype the book sales

The truth was, that Hulk never did anything to show that He was actually in fact the strongest character in Marvel U

For once He did not fight Black Bolt
Dr. Stranger let himself to be defeated
Stalemate the Sentry
Hulk did not fought against Thor or the Silver Surfer
The strugle with the Juggernaut was inconclusive

You see, all this things and He claimed that Hulk was the Strongest in MU in an interview to hype the sales of the book, but the directors in Marvel did not let him change anything in the Hulk Mythology.

He just stated that Hulk was the strongest but he did not show anything.

Busiek on the other hand did, he is not even a Superman fan, He is a Marvel Fan and He admits that Thor is one of his favorites, if He were a fanboy like Pak, He would have given the victory to Thor, not to Superman.

Agreed, this is only the interpretation of one writter and the next time it could be different.

But I just showed to everyone who did not believe it, that officialy the score is 1-0 in favor of Superman.

I’m actually aware that being the most powerful (Thor or Superman) does not make you unbeatable.

But right now as it stands is 1-0

#48 alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

I agee

Thor with Odinforce is pretty scary and with Odinforce I think Thor is more powerful

But I think the Odinforce is just a temporary power up, like a sundip Superman or Superman Prime One million.

If people like to take this power ups into account

We will never end and actually that is fine with me

I rather have something to write to someone than nothing at all

#49 Rick says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

Fucking idiot, the Silver Surfer would destroy Odin, nevermind Galactus himself. Galactus would crush Odin like a fucking fly.

#50 alberto says:
March 13th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

@Rick

How many times have the Surfer defeated Thor?

Lets see if you know this one

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