Ask Old-Wizard: France

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#1 Alberto says:
November 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

I love to stop by and see what the guys at OW are doing.

Is always fun.

Sorry Frenchies, but this is just to make fun of cultures, nothing serious, but just plain fun

#2 Hamilton says:
November 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

Isn’t it funny how Americans always say they saved “our asses twice” and yet refuse to acknowledge that we “saved their asses” in the Revolutionary War, and not only that, but they also saved their own asses in WW2, because they were attacked. They always act like they were the only ones who beat Germany, like they did it all by themselves. Yet, looking at the FACTS, the USSR actually contributed MORE to saving the world’s ass than America.

The USSR lost 10,700,000 soldiers in the war. Compare that to the 416,000 American military deaths, and its not even close. If it wasn’t for the USSR Germany would be ruling the world right now.

#3 Alberto says:
November 20th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

I do agree that Russia was the one who defeted the Germans, Well actually the Germans defeated themselves by declaring war on so many countries.

And yes, By historical accounts the Russians contributed more to the defeat of Gemany.
But also by historicals accounts the Americans together with the english and the Canadians, were the ones who “LIBERATED” France of German occupation, not the Russians.

So in short the Russians contributed more to the defeating of Germany, but the Americans, English and Candians liberated France.

But the post was Funny, regardless of that.

#4 Hamilton says:
November 20th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

My point is Americans make a big deal out of “We saved your asses” bullshit when really they weren’t even the biggest contributor to the liberation of Europe. The USSR was. Without the USSR the Germans would have conquered the UK and the US would have had no base of operations to liberate France.

#5 POLISH POUNDER says:
November 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

No question the US overrates itself as the “savior” of the world in WW2. Without the UK and France, the US would be speaking German now just the same as the UK would if it wasn’t for the US. If the UK had surrendered to Hitler the USSR and US would have been finished. Most Americans are too stupid to realize this though.

#6 LEGONESFISH says:
November 20th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

if it wasn’t for us, the british, and the other commonwealth nations like Australia, Canada and South Afrika we would all probably be speaking German right now, the USA, the USSR, and the British commonwealth states were the 3 main allied forces of the war, if one of the 3 fell, as i say, we’d be speaking german

#7 Tracy says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

“Most likely they will give you a shitty attitude, don’t let that phase you, stay strong and get your extra syrup…..for America.:

LOL

#8 Uncle Sam says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

America was the best country in wwII the end

#9 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 12:13 am

Polish Catcher, you’re too stupid to even know that your name is a slang term for a pollack that RECEIVES anal sex. You’re nothing but a little bitch who admits to being a fagot who takes it up the rear.

Oh yes, and it was the U.S. that supplied the Soviet Union with the food rations that actually allowed the U.S.S.R. to last as long as they did.

So Polish Catcher, just shut the fuck up you less than worthless piece of shit. No one cares about your little spot on the map or your claims that you’ll own the shit out of people. Grow-up you little, little girl.

#10 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 12:17 am

LMAO Hamilton’s a frenchie? You’re one of those worthless idiotic pieces of shit who surrender to everyone?

Believe it or not, were it not for America’s SPAM, the pork product, not the junk email, the U.S.S.R. would have not been able to keep their soldiers from starving. And that’s just one example MANY idiots from Europe who talk shit about the U.S. are ignorant of.

And you saved our asses during the Revolutionary War? Well thank you for teaching us to MARCH. Yep, that’s about it on your country’s contribution. I believe the last Military “victory” france actually had was their maritime Special Ops retaking a boat taken over by unarmed Green Peace protesters.

#11 Hamilton says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

You obviously don’t know your own history very well, do you, Delta? Before France even joined the war officially, French financial assistance to the American war effort was of critical importance to the American army. France’s actual entry into the war meant that British naval superiority was now contested, meaning Americans could now move their troops by sea. And in July 1780 of a large force of soldiers led by Rochambeau arrived in America.The northern, southern, and naval theaters of the war converged in 1781 at Yorktown, Virginia. In early September, French naval forces defeated a British fleet at the Battle of the Chesapeake, cutting off Cornwallis’ escape, allowing Washington to move American and French troops from New York, and a combined Franco-American force of 17,000 men commenced the Siege of Yorktown in early October. For several days, the French and Americans bombarded the British defenses. Cornwallis’ position quickly became untenable, and he surrendered his entire army of 7,000 men on October 19, 1781. So, yes, France is the one who won the Revolutionary war, dumbass. If you don’t know your own history, what chance do you have of discussing WW2 intelligently?

#12 Hamilton says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

Typical American. Knows nothing of history, and thinks your country has been the center of the world since its founding.

#13 Leo says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

WW2 must be separated into the war in the Pacific with Japan and the war in Europe with Germany.The US was certainly the main contributor to the victory over Japan but the Russians were the main contributors to the defeat of Germany also by a wide margin. Russia had killed so many of the elite German forces by D-Day that although there were still some elite troops facing the allies there were also many old men and boys.

#14 Steve says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Its funny how the US thinks they won the war.
By the time the Americans had entered the war on the ground in Europe, the Russians were already advancing on Poland. The US was more of an after thought to WW2 in Europe.

In the European theatre, it was the USSR that bled the Germans dry. The Red Army would have won the day without US help, even if taken slightly longer. The US was only able to get involved because the UK held out and acted as a launching platform for bombing missions and the invasion of France.

#15 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

Hamilton, what is your nationality, are you French?

#16 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

By the way, even if the UK was conquered I doubt if they will even speak German. I mean, it’s one thing to conquer a country, it’s one thing also to impose your rule and language. The Brits and French will make life hell for these German troops. Europe is big, you know. Also like I learned, nothing is forever, even great empires like the British and French had their days. And America’s future is unsure even though you have a kick-ass military with those Stealth Bombers and Carriers.

#17 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

I don’t know but I heard that many people are starving in the US right know. Too bad George Bush spends 4 Billion dollars every month for a war not your own. Is it true that Bush’s initial plan was to destroy buildings so that they will be repaired by American companies but it didn’t work out that way.

#18 The Duke says:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

Fredricco: You do realize Bush is no longer the President, right?

#19 Nate says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:05 am

The American industrial machine won the war, no more bullshit seriously. Before America entered the war it had been supplying Britain and the “Mighty” USSR with weapons, ammo, fuel, and food for quite some time. Neither of those countries would have been able to hold out long enough for America to come and mop up the place if we hadn’t been giving them handouts. And last time I checked WWII involved two places, Europe and the pacific. The “Mighty” USSR didn’t do shit for us in the Pacific. On my final note, that 10 million plus that got killed, that number is probably mixed in with the 40 million people Stalin executed because he thought they were traitors to the state. Quit your hating people.

#20 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:46 am

Of course I know Duke. But Even though, I mean, America lost so much money in that.

#21 alberto says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

I tought, We were talking about France, not WWII.

And lets face it, almost everytime an American talks about France, they touch this theme.

The same way the French complain about the Americans braggin about it.

The only guy who defeated Germany, was Hittler.

He went mad with power and declared war on Two fronts. How stupid is that. The only thing a two front war is goin to give, is problems.

He should have stayed with checoslovakia and the polish corridor, He should have left Poland as a buffer zone against the Russian, in case they breach the Molotov Pact, He should have stayed with Vichy France and France as a puppet goverment, push into bringing England to it’s knees. and is that was not possible, just sign peace.

Re-supply for another 2 years and Declare war again, But like I said, He was crazy.

So basically He defeated Germany.

Really , He was either stupid or crazy (crazy is more likelly)

He shouln’t have declared war to USA, He only did it because the pact with the Japanese. He respect the Pact and with in one week of Pearl Harbor, He declared war on the Americans. The Japanese did not respect the pact, because they did not declare war on Russia

He should have focused, first on Britain and then Russia or Russia only and leave the Britons to root in their Island, with out declaring War to USA.

Or at least push the War on Afrika secure the all the oil from the Black Sea to the Arabian Sea.

So there now Americans and French can love each other forever, Thanks to Hittler.

#22 Langdon says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

Ok! Here the fact! Americans will say they won the war, British will say, that they won the war, Russians will say that victory belong to them. Have you ever asked Germans who did win the war in their opinion and they will tell you-USSR.

#23 Bug says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

enough about the war debates, get me my extra syrup cup!

#24 Nate says:
November 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

The Germans just say that because they were terrified of the USSR because they were willing to be just as ruthless and bat-shit crazy as the Germans were. By the end of the war Berlin was just trying to hold out long enough for the Americans/British to arrive. And p.s. @Alberto obviously no one tAught you how to spell. Please tell me you weren’t teaching the youth of America how to spell…

#25 Langdon says:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:53 am

The most fighting in WW2, the greatest intensity over the longest period, involving the greatest numbers iof men and materiel took place in the russian war zone between 1941-45. the Soviets conscripted 34 million men and women and lost about 26 million service personnel during this period and were fighting about 2/3 of the German Armed Forces of 18 million who lost about 5 million during the whole period.

#26 Langdon says:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:54 am

Russia’s military people were defeating the Nazi’s and by the time other countries came in to help, Russia had mostly defeated the Germans. So my opinion is that other countries did help, but it was already the war was ending.

#27 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 9:38 am

Hamilton…..

Typical idiot you are. The country of france is rather irrelevant. Of course those are all made-up stories about how france, which does not deserve to be a proper noun, allegedly helped the future United States. The so-called country of france couldn’t even defend themselves from a half-assed trained elite group of 4 year olds armed with sporks and rocks. They helped us learn to march, that’s the extent.

Nate covered much about your ignorance of how much America helped the European front. And here’s a couple huge contributors you’re probably unaware of. The weather, the fact that buildings were still standing in Stalingrad, and that Hitler was fuckin’ outta his mind since he was a meth addict.

Anyways shut the fuck up and give us our damn extra syrup, frogs!!

#28 Big Al says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

Delta, are you serious? As much as I hate France, and French people, it is true that they helped us at least in the Revolutionary War. Without them we would have lost. Of course, they did because they hate England, not because they like us.

#29 Hermann says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

The simple matter of who did the most fighting It would be the Soviets, then the Chinese then the British. As for who made the biggest contribution this is almost impossible to define, was the British blockading oil to Germany more important to their defeat than the battle of Kursk? was British intelligence more important than American boots? the only feasible answer is that it is impossible to tell what made the biggest contribution could any of the major powers won alone? possible, did the ultimate UN victory depend on contributions and sacrifice of all of them? without a doubt.

#30 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Hey, they helped us out. They taught us to march!! Good for france. Let’s hear it for them!!

#31 GhostSniper2081 says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

Really? Are you saying the french eat funny things? Coming from an american (the country where you it’s normal to get a triple cheeseburger and down it with a chocolate shake) it sounds even funnier.

I’m obviously just messing around, still: you americans are the grand masters of trash food, don’t give the crown away so easily.

#32 Ryan says:
November 20th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

I would say most people from the USSR and UK seem to think they could have won in Europe without US help. It would have taken longer, sure, but they would have won eventually. The US came in late, had fewer casualties, and did much less than the USSR. Its a historical fact. And to the stupid American hick who thinks that the french didn’t help beyond teaching Americans to march…wow…just wow. Your country’s ignorance is utterly amazing.

This sums up the American educational system:

http://helptheiraq.ytmnd.com/

#33 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:28 am

I don’t agree with you Delta that France is an irrelevant country. It’s a great country. Great people, great culture. Do you know the French Empire?
There are also fewer fat people in France.

#34 Nate says:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:59 am

I’m bringing back Freedom Fries… hahaha…

#35 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 4:39 am

lmao Fedricco, the french are generally assholes, who have shown to be quite stupid from my encounters with them. What’s so great about their culture? That they’re a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys? And there’s fewer fat people in an F-list country? That’s a reason to say they’re a great country? Must I remind you they’re essentially the war equivalent of a high-end Hollywood hooker. Everyone who matters has had their way with her.

And Nate, I shall join you in bringing back Freedom Fries!! I just called them “fries” but now I shall go with Freedom Fries!! And Freedom Toast!!

#36 Delta says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:08 am

Oh Ryan, shut the fuck up you dumbass. The little froggies did nothing but teach us to march. It’s really an irrelevant country.

And I know for sure the U.S.S.R. would’ve crumbled without logistical aid from the U.S., maybe the U.K. would’ve stood a chance though. The U.S. did more than you would ever hope for.

As to GhostSniper……

You’re saying America has trash food because we eat NORMAL things like cheeseburgers and milkshakes, yet france has frog legs and snails? And they think that shit is actually good? Expensive and served at fancy restaurants and parties doesn’t mean it’s actually good.

#37 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:02 am

Ok I know that I am stereotyping Americans as fat by what I’ve said. I admit that was childish. But hey, don’t call people cowards because they surrendered. First of all, they were involved in guerilla warfare.
It can be a pain in the ass you know. Also, America retreated in the Vietnam War. Does that mean that your soldiers are cowards? People always bash Americans for this. But they retreated for the greater good. if they didn’t retereat, there would be so much loss of human lives.

#38 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:12 am

Delta I know that America can bomb any country now and get away with it(Stealth Bombers) but they chose not to. If France surrendered before does that mean they are cowards? Initially America is a colony but does that make your culture shit? There are lots of psychopaths in America and incest is very high. Does that mean that your country is already fucked up? C’mon! You just want to annoy people. Again as before give me the reasons why France sucks?

#39 Hamilton says:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

French may be assholes, but Americans are ignorant hicks. Many great points have been made here that the US was pretty much irrelevant in WW2, and the dumb hick Delta’s only reply is to incorrectly state that the French had no contribution to the colonies winning the revolutionary war. nice job, idiot.

#40 GhostSniper2081 says:
November 20th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

Well, Delta, in some small towns of France I’ve visited they’ll serve you spiced goose necks, and in some places here in Italy people eat bulls balls, but that is not representative of the whole coutry, is it. I’ve personally never met a frenchman who actually liked eating snails. Still from my point of view, a triple cheeseburger+chocolate shake is hardcore crazy food and thumbs up if you can eat that and not die horribly as I would.

#41 Zach says:
November 20th, 2009 at 7:55 am

The French are French humans and the Americans are American humans. I like that. I also know for sure that a bunch of people-who-have-or-should-have-jobs-but-instead-act-like-seven-year-olds can successfully analyze WWII from their spinnychairs. Fuckin’ A.

#42 alberto says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

@Nate

No, don’t worry.

I was teaching only history

#43 Nate says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

Ohhhhh boy….
@Fred: America held out for 16 years. And they left for many different reasons. As soon as the Germans went AROUND the maginot line it was a matter of days before the french allowed Germany to rape them. Big difference asshole.

@Hamilton: How many people have to go on here and say that if it wasn’t for America’s money, fuel, food, ammo, and weapons handouts, that started long before formal American involvement, none of the allied countries would have stayed afloat. Seriously. Jesus. France is a joke… Historically relevant, YES! Recently, circa 1910? No.

@Alberto Thank you for being honest

#44 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

Why the hell are we even talking about WW2. God, a country loses a battle and people are already pussies. In the Revolutionary War, even with France’s help you still lost some battles. Even England was conquered by many tribes before it became powerful. And you still think France is irrelevant? Many African countries speak French. That is just one example of their impact in the world. Even English is influenced by the French language. Oh and they have their own language by the way. Even though English is England’s language, you think that it’s your own. I remember an English friend of mine when he visited America some Americans asked what is England’s language. Why the hell would you change some English spellings when clearly THE LANGUAGE IS NOT YOURS AND YOU DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE IT!!!!!!!!

#45 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

And Oh I remember that TEAM USA is not anymore number 1 in FIBA rankings right now. They were surpassed by Argentina which has football as their most popular game. Individually team USA is better but basketball is a team game. Ha, they beat you at your own game.
Only game that you will FOREVER be superior is American Football.

#46 Stu says:
November 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

The USA did NOT win WW2. British Forces had pretty much destroyed the Italians and Germans under Rommel in North Africa before the USA had recovered from Pearl Harbor.

#47 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 1:47 am

Great Britain was the World Power before World War 2. It relied much on its Empire against Germany. British Colonies were already fighting German forces in Africa. When the Germans were stupid enough not to finish Great Britain and attack Russia Britain is already making hundreds of Fighter planes to counter another attack from the Luftwaffe. End of story.

#48 Rabo Karabekian says:
November 20th, 2009 at 7:46 am

Language is just a way of communicating. Americans have every right to change anything about the language they speak, new languages develop out of old ones. No language is totally original (you know how a lot of languages are based on Latin?); and if I remember correctly, AMERICANS ARE JUST TRANSPLANTED EUROPEANS. Same dogma, same philosophies, same western principals.

#49 Rabo Karabekian says:
November 20th, 2009 at 7:54 am

And about all of the countries in Africa that speak French, that isn’t something to be proud of. You French bastards (along with Britain and Germany) are the reason that Africa is so effed up. And even if France did have “influence” through abuse and oppression, it’s not something that you should use to defend it under any circumstances. Don’t act like America is the epitome of an imperialist nation, you guys set the bar way high.

#50 Fedricco Rabaya says:
November 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am

You call the British, French and German bastards? The amount of money used to produce 4 Stealth bombers is enough to end all of Africa’s poverty and even enough to develop the continent yet you never gave them that money.

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